Lore talk:Beastfolk

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Tamriel over Nirn[edit]

Its actually a good point, a post that was deleted here recently. According to the third book of the 2920 series, 'Beastfolk' refers only to the beast people from Tamriel. Vos 06:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Sload transclusion[edit]

This transclusion results in the wrong headers being used through the remainder of the article; when one header is used to indicate a different sort of beastfolk, it shouldn't be used again for different subjects about one sort of beastfolk. I'm unsure how to fix it, though. Xolroc (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2013 (GMT)

You have to make the edits on the original page, in this case the Sload page. I've done that and moved the race box here to the bottom where it should be. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 14:44, 20 October 2013 (GMT)

Giants[edit]

Giants? "Sentient beast-like humanoids" is the definition of beastfolk. I don't know about the "sentient" part as I haven't spoken with one, but they are certainly very intelligent and human-like. They are even known to have interbred with humans (e.g. Lyris Titanborn of ESO, a half-giant). They have their own form of art, their own language (Giantish), they herd animals, they make tools, weapons, clothing, they only attack if they feel threatened and provoked, etc. A certain book in the Imperial Library (http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-six-911th-cow) even suggests that Giants and Nords may share a common ancestry. Elymdor (talk) 00:29, 4 March 2014 (GMT)

Nevermind, just noticed that this was already answered by Legoless on the Bestiary. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore_talk:Bestiary_G Sorry. Elymdor (talk) 00:32, 4 March 2014 (GMT)

Orcs?[edit]

If we think of the Orsimer as being "pig-men" in generic fantasy terms, would they classify as beast-folk? They're technically elves, but they're altered pariah elves with beast-like features. Would it be lore unfriendly to say they can belong in two groups at once? Unecyclopedic to say this without evidence in the games? 216.254.165.158 21:57, 19 April 2014 (GMT)

Yes, its both unencyclopedic and against lore as there is no source beyond their appearance, which is not how you should classify things. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:08, 19 April 2014 (GMT)
(edit conflict) It may be worth acknowledging on the page that certain (overtly racist) Altmer scholars consider Orcs to be beastfolk. But while it is a controverted topic in the lore, we do have every reason to believe at the moment that Orcs have elven roots, so I don't believe it's necessary or wise for us to equivocate over the matter on the page. See this forum topic for a substantive discussion on the lore. Insignificant RevisionsThreatsEvidence 22:17, 19 April 2014 (GMT)
All of that is already nicely summarised in the goblin-ken extract on the page, which explains away the older lore about orcs. —Legoless (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2014 (GMT)

Lamias and other beastfolk[edit]

Should they be included here? They are certainly intelligent, being able to speak Tamrielic, and have their own culture and social structures, even if they don't interact much with other races. Since the giants, who are arguably more primitive, are included here, shouldn't they as well? On this topic, there also other betmer on the main Lore:Races that are not here, such as minotaurs and dreugh. --Teneb (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Given they are listed under beastfolk on the races page, it would be prudent to have some mention of them here. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)