Lore talk:Books by Author
So far this page has only included those authors who are explicitly listed in the books' text. I think it probably would be useful to add books with no explicitly listed author, where it can be reasonably determined who the author was -- it's more useful to have the books listed on this page than left off completely just because they're among the hundreds of books without explicit authors. However, I think in those cases we should also add a note to the books explaining the inferred authorship. Any objections? --NepheleTalk 23:24, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
- None at all. I'll write the scuttlebutt for monomyth, and vivec's cantatas are done for us already. That leaves Alma's Motherly Naggings. But... for reasons unknown, the byline and description of Monomyth cannot be edited, save through the sacrifice of thirteen virgins.Temple-Zero 23:29, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
- The standard author byline is at Lore:The Monomyth/Author and the description is at Lore:The Monomyth/Description. No, it's not done that way just to test the patience of new editors ;) It's so that the information can just be provided once, but then displayed everywhere it's needed (e.g., on Lore:Books_M, etc.) But in any case, I was thinking that the /Author page should be reserved for authors that are explicitly mentioned in the in-game text, and that other notes about authorship should be added as a note. And before noticing your reply here, I'd already jumped in and created such a note for the Monomyth based on your earlier edit summaries. --NepheleTalk 00:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
he wrote thirsk a history not just the revised version didnt he? (Eddie the head 18:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
- If you look at the links you will see that there are links to both the original and the Revised version under his name. --DKong27 Talk Cont 18:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Marobar Sul Book 1
According to header of the book "The Ransom of Zarek" in Morrowind, this is indeed the first book of "Ancient Tales of the Dwemer". The absence of proof on the book's page doesn't change this fact. — Unsigned comment by 220.127.116.11 (talk) on 11 February 2011
- Yes, sorry about that. It seems that one was incorrectly transcribed when it was added. Fixed now, and thanks for re-pointing it out. rpeh •T•C•E• 17:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
"The list does not include diaries, journals, or logs."?!
I came to this page after [this revision] and [this revision] while I was trying to learn more about uesp guidelines regarding journals. I found some journals in the list, so I wondered if they do not belong here or if "the list does not include diaries, journals, or logs" is outdated?! — Unsigned comment by Holomay (talk • contribs) on 7 May 2012
- Well, on most occasions common sense is used. I mean, something like this is not going to get included, while something like this is a must on this list. There has to be some reason for the book/journal and its author to merit a lore page about it (presuming it doesn't appear in at least two games, which automatically gives it a right to be considered a lore book). Remember that this is a lore page, and as such not all of the in-game tidbits from various TES games should be included. -- kertaw48 06:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- I already fixed it, no biggie. Also, an article for the book that you copied already has a page here, so please search the site to make sure that you're not creating a duplicate page. Thanks! •WoahBro►talk 21:54, 2 May 2014 (GMT)
U for Unveiled or A for Azadiyeh?
At the moment The Unveiled Azadiyeh is alphabetised under U. I am not sure if "Azadiyeh" is a name or a title, but if it is a name, it would be more correct to move The Unveiled Azadiyeh to A. Does anyone know what "Azadiyeh" is? —MortenOSlash (talk) 06:22, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
With my last edit, this page is approaching a number of authors that makes the page difficult to navigate. A lot of these authors wrote only one book. I was going to make this change in that edit, but thought I'd get a second opinion. I think we should split the authors into two groups: those who wrote one book, and the rest. Put the multiple-book authors on top because they are actually useful for finding related texts.
This is close to what we do on lore names pages. Any name that appears more than once is placed above the others. There, it serves the purpose of showing what the most common names are. Here, it would serve to break up the page a bit and show the more prolific authors. The headings can be simple, perhaps: "Authors with Multiple Books" and "Authors with One Book". I would count compilations as multiple books in this case because they technically are. —Dillonn241 (talk) 12:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Rather than split the authors based on number of books, I split them into letter groups of approximately equal size. This will let users easily go to a relevant part of the page, and also makes the alphabetical order that already existed more obvious and helpful. —Dillonn241 (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
No Diaries, Journals, or Logs
The beginning of this page states that "the list does not include diaries, journals, or logs". A quick search shows that 4 texts here have the word "diary", 36 have "journal", and 1 has "log". This page is still missing 4 diaries and 15 journals, not including any of the interactive map of Tamriel entries (most of which have authors listed). There are two options here. We could delete all of these texts that are not supposed to be here, or amend the intro to allow any type of text.
I believe the reason behind the restriction is that in general, a diary or journal is written by the person in the book name. It also helps keep the page size manageable. I'm leaning toward a restriction that's somewhere in the middle. We allow diaries, journals, and logs if the author has other texts that are "real" books (Sinderion) or if the journal, etc. does not include the author's name (Xhaferi's Akaviri Diary Translation). We'd still keep the interactive map of Tamriel entries off here because most with an author are similar to short journals. What do people think? —Dillonn241 (talk) 16:07, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- We discussed this briefly on Discord, but adding my comment here for record. The intro part is very dated and I believe the wording was an attempt to only document scholarly, published authors in TES. Given that lore isn't limited to "real" books and often found in almost any text, such a restriction doesn't really help anyone looking to learn more about the lore and it doesn't help us create a comprehensive list of "authors" who have contributed to the lore. Ultimately, it comes down to how loreworthy the text is (be it a book, journal or note). There are numerous diaries that no doubt fall into this category, such as Cicero's Journal. Thus any missing loreworthy notes, diaries etc should be added to this page - irrespective of if the author also has a "real" book under their name or not.
- As for the interactive map of Tamriel entries. Many of these are excerpts of proper books (so should be added as per above). Others (for example Lore:Letter from an Indoril Retainer) are letters but are still considered loreworthy, and should be added for that reason alone. I had planned to add these authors when I created them, but just never got around to it. --Jimeee (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)