Lore talk:House Hlaalu

Hlaalu in the Fourth Era

Councilor Morvayn of Raven Rock states the five Great Houses as Telvanni, Dres, Indoril, Sadras and Redoran. It seems from this, and from History of Raven Rock, that House Hlaalu has been removed from the Council and replaced by House Sadras. I think this needs to be added to the article, but am unsure how to do this succinctly. --Enodoc (talk) 22:51, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

Adril Arano expands on this when asked about House Hlaalu during Served Cold. I'm putting this here for reference to anyone who would like to add the details to the article:

[What can you tell me about House Hlaalu?] Traitors. The lot of them. Their collaboration with the Empire may have given them unrivaled political and economic strength, but their hearts weren't with the Dunmer people. [I presume that was their downfall.] Hlaalu deserved every bit of hatred they received once the Empire released its grasp on Morrowind. Having past ties to the Empire immediately turned them into the scapegoat for the Dunmer people's suffering. [What happened to House Hlaalu as a result?] They had welcomed the Empire with open arms, and benefited from it. When everything was said and done, they were no longer recognised as a Great House and were dismissed from the Council.

--Enodoc (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2013 (GMT)

Councilors Picture

The picture near the bottom of the page for the Hlaalu councilors is slightly inaccurate. It does feature all of the Hlaalu councilors, but also depicts Orvas Dren, who is not a councilor (actually, he's not even officially a member of the House). Granted, the picture appears to be made for Morrowind's Hlaalu Hortator quest, and Orvas Dren is one of the people the player needs to seek out not because he is a councilor himself but because he holds sway over Nevena Ules and Velanda Omani. So it's not the picture that's inaccurate, but the caption, and I don't know how to rephrase it since "The five councilors of House Hlaalu, Vardenfell District, in 3E 426, and Orvas Dren, who although not a councilor himself holds significant sway over Hlaalu politics, as seen in Morrowind" doesn't really roll off the tongue.
LoveWaffle (talk) 05:22, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

Better? Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 05:51, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

Works for me. ADDENDUM: Eh, minor tweak. Vedam Dren's not in the picture so it's not "the" leaders.

LoveWaffle (talk) 06:13, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

Neutrality

This article leaves a bit to be desired with regard to neutrality, for example the claim that "While Vedam disapproved of his brother's activities he did nothing to stop them" is blatantly false, as the Duke does in fact task the Nerevarine with the ousting of his brother and the Tong during the events of Morrowind the game. I notice that the article was made more neutral on a few occasions previously, but things like this keep getting added back in. Is there any particular reason? --OblivionDuruza (talk) 06:36, 24 December 2013 (GMT)

No, Vedam says the Nerevarine must "reach an accommodation with my brother" to be Grandmaster of Hlaalu "in anything but name". The strong implication is that Orvas is the actual power behind the throne, reinforcing the article's point that Hlaalu has deep ties to the underworld of Morrowind. -- Hargrimm^(T) 06:50, 24 December 2013 (GMT)

But that is exactly my point. It is far more accurate to say that elements or factions within the House have strong connections with the Camonna Tong/crime than to say that the House as a whole does. Dram Bero makes many efforts to foster more traditional Hlaalu values within the House (indicating that the Camona Tong's influence is relatively new), and there is no evidence that key leaders like the Duke and King Athyn were ever involved in any corruption or crime. The crime associate with the House in the late 3rd Era is largely a product of the Kingship of Helseth, who himself developed his particular brand of corruption as a result of being Prince of Wayrest, and Orvas Dren. To build the article around that idea only tells part of the Hlaalu story, and this is a lore article, not one about Morrowind the game, or the time period it is set within. --OblivionDuruza (talk) 15:16, 9 February 2014 (GMT)

Adding quotes to the Great House pages

I've been looking at the Imperial-Library site on the part where you meet Vivec (https://www.imperial-library.info/content/meeting-vivec) and I noticed in the "people of Morrowind" portion that he has a quote for each Great House.

Can I put in his quote for House Hlaalu? I wouldn't know how to put in the footnote number and such but I could put in the quote at least.

Here is the portion in question:

people of Morrowind:

"I love the people of Morrowind. I became a god to make their lives more comfortable and secure. I am most close to my faithful followers; I am literally in their hearts and minds. I feel the most sympathy with House Redoran; they are Dunmer driven by creeds and deeds, like I am. House Indoril is closer to the compassion and sympathy of Almalexia, a comfortable and secure serenity. House Telvanni matches the disposition of my brother Sotha Sil -- iconoclastic, profane, unconventional."

"House Hlaalu represents the future of the Dunmer, integrated into the sophisticated mainstream of the traditionless, raceless, godless culture of the Empire. House Dres represents the past of pre-Tribunal Great House culture, a persistent tradition of Daedra- and ancestor-worshipping civilized Dunmer clans. And I even love the Ashlanders for their preservation of the most ancient barbarian tribal traditions of the Dunmer who first settled Morrowind."