Lore talk:Redguards, Their History and Their Heroes

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Contradictory[edit]

This book is somewhat contradictory, regarding the events of the 90th duel:

By the time Hunding was 30 he had fought and won more than 90 duels killing all his opponents. He became virtually invincible with the sword, gaining such skill and mastery that he finally stopped using the real swords, created through the artisanship of his people, and began using the Shehai or "way of the spirit sword".

(Removed irrelevant paragraph about the formation of the Shehai).

The Shehai became Hunding's weapon, and with this he slew bands of brigands and wandering monsters than infested the land. Finally upon finishing his 90th duel, defeating the evil Lord Janic and his seven lich followers, he was satisfied that he was indeed invincible. Hunding then turned to formulating his philosophy of"the Way of the Sword". He wrote his Learnings down in the BOOK OF CIRCLES while living as a hermit in a cave in the mountains of high desert in his sixtieth year. Timeoin 04:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Where are you seeing a contradiction? The first paragraph is saying a won more than 90 duels with a sword. The second paragraph is saying he won 90 additional duels with the spirit sword. --Brf 16:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The first one says he started using the Shehai after the 90th duel. The second one says that he was using the Shehai until his 90th duel. 120.21.124.128 03:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't actually say that. It could easily be read as a list of events in his life, presented in no particular order. rpeh •TCE 08:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I read it as saying that "90" is some particular benchmark. Like winning 90 duels declares you a master. He won 90 duels with the sword and was therefore a master with the sword. Then, he won 90 duels with the spirit sword, and was therefore a master with that too. --Brf 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I think we can all agree it's not very clear, given that there seem to be at least three ways of interpreting it! rpeh •TCE 13:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

() I dunno. It seems pretty clear to me. It says won more that 90 duels(with his sword), and was invincible with his sword, so he stopped using a regular sword and started using a spirit sword. ...Then... It says he then slew everyone with his spirit sword. He declared himself invincible after his 90th duel (with the spirit sword), and wrote his book. --Brf 13:42, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I just can't read that meaning into it. To me it says that he became invincible with a normal sword, then finished off the 90 duels while using the spirit sword. rpeh •TCE 14:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I see what you are saying now. That the 90 duels mentioned at the beginning of the first paragraph are not necessarily with the sword that is mentioned at the end of that paragraph. That he was "invisible with the sword" with the first fraction of that 90. I read it as 90 + 90 from reading too many parables -- 7-years of this and 7-years of that. I suppose it could be read either way. --Brf 14:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sengoku Period[edit]

Any other history buffs notice the parrallels between Yokuda and Japan? The long period of war is not unlike the Sengoku (or warring states) era of Japan, in which lords all across the country engaged in a power struggle for centuries. Oda Nobunaga conquered much of the land, but upon death was succeeded by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who almost completely unified the country. This may all seem incidental, but it is worth noting that Toyotomi was also of common birth and banned the wearing of swords by any but Samurai. It also seems probable the Frandar Hunding is an allusion to Miyamoto Musashi. There are may parallels between their lives (being born in the later years of civil war, duels until thirty, a hermitage later in life, reverence in modern Redguard culture) but most striking is the Book of Circles, an almost undeniable nod at the Book of Five Rings, Musashi's own study of war and combat.— Unsigned comment by Alandro Sul (talkcontribs) at 15:24 on 23 April 2013

There are definitely several undeniable parallels. Jeancey (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2013 (GMT)