Lore talk:Reman

Brazollus Dor

Just want to acknowledge that no source explicitly recognizes Brazollus Dor as Reman's successor. His place in the Reman Dynasty is inferred from a variety of things; see the notes on that page for details. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 03:52, 24 May 2013 (GMT)

Reman Cyrodiil or Reman Dor?

I've heard him called both names. Which is the correct one? Rather confusing. 166.137.8.48 02:12, 1 August 2014 (GMT)

Where have you seen him called Reman Dor? I did a quick search through the text of every book in TES and I don't see anything. The only use of 'Dor' at all is all in reference to Brazollus. -- Hargrimm^(T) 02:16, 1 August 2014 (GMT)

I guess the anonymous user has been reading other, less accurate wikis where they have built a speculative theory of family or clan name of the Reman emperors based on the fact that Brazollus Dor is an emperor of the Reman dynasty some place between Reman I and Reman II. —MortenOSlash (talk) 05:02, 1 August 2014 (GMT)

Cyrodiil name

I don't think it's clearly stated whether or not the province of Cyrodiil was named after him or he adopted the name Cyrodiil (probably similar to how Talos adopted the name Tiber Septim). I'm not sure myself, so if somebody else could add it to the page, that would be great. --Rezalon (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

You're right. To answer your question, this bit of lore goes back to the olden days of Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard where they had a Q&A with the devs - much like the Loremaster's Archive actually. In it we get the following:

Or a Breton, if you believe those jokers in Alcaire. Traditionally, anyone strong enough to take the Imperial Throne is known as the ‘Cyrodiil,’ no matter the province kingdom of their birth. It’s a complicated the-king-is-the-land kind of thing that reaches back to the time when the Elves ruled the area before it was taken from them by the First Empire of the Nords. “Cyrodiil” is a pretty blanket term for every element of the Imperial Province: its common provincial name is Cyrodiil, the capital city is named Cyrodiil, the people are the Cyrodiils, and the Emperor is “The Cyrodiil.” A lot of people still think it comes from the surname of Reman Cyrodiil, who built the region into the Second Empire of Men, but, really, he just took its ancient Elven name and stuck it onto his own (sorta like somebody in our world calling themselves “Jonny America”). And, while we’re still on the subject, no, Tiber Septim isn’t a Nord, he’s an Atmoran.

It's an official source, so this is pretty solid (apart from the "Jonny America" nonsense!). I'm thinking... I'll probably add that particular answer to a UESP page somewhere, maybe the The Elder Scrolls Adventures page (the entire Q&A doesn't really warrant its own page like the Loremaster's Archive) - so that we can use it as a reference on this and other lore pages, rather than linking to an external site every time. --Jimeee (talk) 10:31, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Pelinal and Reman?

Should we add in the notes section of the article the fact that Pelinal once shouted "Reman" before battle?

That piece of trivia would be more of Pelinal's article, but it's related to Reman too

SpamCan (talk) 03:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion.

A section of the 2nd Edition of the Pocket Guide claims that Reman was assassinated by Morag Tong assassins. Could we include this as a note in the profile, since it is - to my knowledge - the only information on the cause of Reman's death regardless of source?

The passage in question:

"Alas, The Cyrodiil did not live to see the completion of the Megalomoth vessel-fortress, which he wanted to christen as the NVN Manywife with Interest. Ash-bitten knives of the Dunmeri assassin's guild, the Morag Tong, ended him in 1E2762."

We could easily write it as "He died in 1E 2762 and was buried in Sancre Tor, which had enjoyed a resurgence of wealth and culture under his rule. According to some sources, he didn't die of natural causes but was slain by Morag Tong assassins" 201.47.70.228 13:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

The general policy is UOL additions are discussed on the talkpage on a case-by-case basis. For this one there isn't anything conflicting so I'd agree, but the wording tweak of "According to some sources, he was slain by Morag Tong assassins.[UOL]".--Jimeee (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't really think this is necessary UoL. Varieties of Faith in the Empire already states the Reman dynasty "was ended by the Dunmeri Morag Tong at the end of the first era." We don't need to use PGE 2 for this.

EDIT: Quick addendum because holy crap how did I forget, 2920 literally says the Morag Tong killed Reman III explicitly. "Blank that is, except for a small black mark, the sign of the Morag Tong. It fell to the floor, revealing the small dagger hidden behind it, which she now twisted, severing his throat to the bone. The Emperor collapsed to the floor, gasping soundlessly." Jacksol (talk) 16:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

That's not the same thing. Varieties of Faith says that the Reman dynasty was ended by the Morag Tong, not necessarily Reman I himself too. 201.47.70.228 16:57, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I totally misread this like 6 times, actually, ignore me. Jacksol (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Noticed this bit never got added, has been cited with slightly ambiguous wording in case any other stated cause of death is ever given in a source. Dcking20 (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Tribute coin

Do we have a source on that being Reman's face? -ColovianHastur (talk) 17:04, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello again Hastur, lol. So from the conversation I had with the fellas in the discord, we deduced that this was Reman since the features (bald, distinct cheek bones, distinct nose) is identical to the depiction of Reman found in Sky Haven Temple. Furthermore it would make sense that Reman would be featured on coins before Tiber Septim since at the time of eso he is certainly a legend founding emperor comparable to Tiber who is featured on the later games coins. Dcking20 (talk) 18:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

If that's the reasoning, that would be speculation and would not belong on the page. Is there anything definitive identifying this guy? —⁠Legoless (talk) 19:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I suppose that there's a logic in identifying the coin figure with Reman, considering the features kinda match the giant bust in Sky Haven Temple (mostly the baldness, I suppose). But I also have to agree with Legoless in that it's a bit speculative and definitive in saying that the figure is definitely Reman. Should not the image legend say something along the lines of "Possible representation of Reman on a coin"? Also, I find it a bit funny that I'm now the one supporting the ambiguity of a lore related matter xD -ColovianHastur (talk) 11:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I changed the wording to be more ambiguous for now pending a source that hopefully comes out confirming it more explicitly. Dcking20 (talk) 12:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)