Lore talk:The Arcturian Heresy

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author[edit]

Why is Ysmir listed as the author? The in-game book has no byline.Temple-Zero 19:17, 16 December 2008 (EST)

The book starts with the line "The Underking, Ysmir Kingmaker", which has always (or at least, since 7 May 2006) been interpreted as the Author on this site. It possibly makes more sense as a heading though. –RpehTCE 04:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)
I just checked in the CS. Bylines and headings in Morrowind books are both delineated by the linebreak code, but bylines usually say "by Carovlan Townway" as opposed to just the name. It would answer many questions if it was truly written by Ysmir, but I doubt it. TIL interprets it as a heading, at least.76.179.191.245 13:55, 17 December 2008 (EST)
I've proposed the subpage giving the book an author for deletion, and added "The Underking, Ysmir Kingmaker" to the text instead. I looked through about 50 MW books and all the ones that had an author had "by" before the name. I don't want to make it a heading, though. In-game it appears in a standard font, although that might be more necessity than choice. –RpehTCE 09:38, 21 December 2008 (EST)

() As of Skyrim, the book has been changed to include "By The Underking, Ysmir Kingmaker", making him officially the author. I've moved his name from the text to the author position.--Affubalator 20:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Falkreath?[edit]

Last time I check, Falkreath is not and has never been considered to be part of western Cyrodiil. Should we wrap a sic tag around that, and if so, does anyone know what it's supposed to say, i.e., which city Cuchelain was a king of before he attacked the Imperial City? I'm guessing it would have to be Chorrol, Kvatch, or Skingrad, if he was a Colovian king. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 23:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

The Empire used to be called before Cyrodill, remember--Br3admax 23:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

It seems unlikely to me that this is a typo. The best I can guess is that when Empress Herta expanded Cyrodiil's borders (see this entry for more information), Falkreath was made a Colovian territory. That being said, it's still a bit too vague for my taste.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 23:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
It speaks of Tiber Septim, soo I doubt it. It was before Tiber Septim could even call his empire Temriel. But not that far. See it even talks about Greybeards.--Br3admax 00:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Who's to say that Herta's conquests didn't remain until Talos' day? There isn't any evidence to the contrary. Also, what do the Greybeards have to do with it? They were around before Herta was (Jurgen Windcaller fought the Dwemer, who disappeared from Tamriel in 1E 700, four-hundred years before Herta's reign). However, there really isn't enough evidence for me to decide how I feel about it; if we really wanted to, we could add an sic tag. Or we could add a note of some sort explaining that passage (though that may be a little excessive and slightly controversial).--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 00:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: For what it's worth, Jurgen Windcaller was defeated by the Chimer and Dwemer in 1E 416, long before Herta or Talos.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 00:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Nah, that's fine; if we can't be certain that it's a mistake, I would think a sic tag is not appropriate. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Falkreath is in southern Skyrim. Given that borders of kingdoms may have changed, Falkreath could conceivably have been under control from Cyrodiil in the south, rather than from the Nordic kingdom of Skyrim to the north. Still, this would have made it a northern rather than a western province: it conceivably could be thought of as northwestern, and qualify for the "western" tag under that name - or, at least, as a buffer zone to guard Colovia, the western part of Cyrodiil (Imperial Province), against attacks from the north, or indeed a staging post to conduct attacks against the Reach or High Rock.
Especially since The Reach - the far west of Skyrim - is known to have been populated by Bretons and ruled from High Rock at one stage. If High Rock was at war with Cyrodiil, then any Cyrodiilic ruler who wished to prevent an attack on Colovia would have wanted to hold Falkreath to guard against attacks from the Reach. In all probability, these border zones have changed hands many times over the years: the descendants of the Bretons, now conquered by the Nords, are the modern-day Forsworn of the Reach, while Falkreath is the biggest graveyard in all of Skyrim, having been fought over by all its neighbours for years, to the point that its importance as a battle site and graveyard is a lot more importance than its actual size and population as a territory. It's perhaps no surprise that Tiber Septim handed both Falkreath and the Reach (back?) to Skyrim for administrative purposes, considering that all sources (both Heresy and Orthodoxy) agree he was a Nord himself despite taking an Imperial name.
Interestingly, in the game of Skyrim, the Dragonborn's dialogue with the Ghost of Old Hroldan suggests that the Heresy is correct in at least two points - (1) that Talos, the name under which he became originally famous, was not originally his true name but a nickname, his real birth name being the very Nordic "Hjalti Early-Beard": and (2) that given that he and his friend appear to have had their military training in Alcaire, it seems more likely that (despite being Nordic) he was born in Alcaire than Atmora (and thus is a Nord among the Bretons - possibly even a hostage from the Reach, a Nordic territory taken and colonised by High Rock, no wonder he wanted to leave that bit out of his history): all of this being long before he took up the Cyrodiilic Imperial name of Tiber Septim (which is agreed by all to be not his original name, but the name under which he was crowned Emperor, laying claim to be a proper successor to the First Era's Cyrodiilic Imperial heritage under the Reman dynasty.)
The rest of the Heresy's assertions - the involvement of the unquiet spirit of the long-dead Wulfharth Ysmir, the truth of all the shenanigans with the Underking and the battlemage Zurin Arctus, and the question of who really murdered Cuhlecain who *should* have been Emperor, to put General Talos in charge - are still, of course, unproven.JLE, 01:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)