Morrowind talk:Yagrum Bagarn and Wraithguard

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Picture[edit]

The picture of Wraithguard here isn't really correct. It shows the Wraithguard you get from Vivec. The jury-rigged Wraithguard you get has the appearance of a Daedric Left Gauntlet, it does. I would change the picture myself, but I don't know how to take screenshots or upload them. --Xyntfos 21:23, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

I replaced it with a picture of Yagrum Bagarn, it was easier. As far as the jury-rigged Wraithguard looking like a Daedric Gauntlet, I'm well aware of it, but I consider it to be a glitch on the part of the devs, and one that has been corrected by several 3rd-party mods (including one created by yours truly). While we could show either a corrected or non-corrected version of the glove, it seems safer all around to just use a non-ambiguous picture, so Yagrum's works best in this case I think. --TheRealLurlock Talk 00:30, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

So is it permanent or not?[edit]

There are 2 warnings that say you lose permanent health but the note at the end says the official patch fixes this-- so which is it? — Unsigned comment by 218.2.113.100 (talk) on 16 February 2009

As the article says, the artifact will cause you to lose health permanently, but the unofficial patch fixes this. I've corrected the part about the problem only occurring in some versions though as both vanilla and GotY have the problem. –RpehTCE 03:02, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Moved from the Article[edit]

  • A better way to do the Main Quest this way is not to equip Wraithguard until your have reached the Heart. When you have killed Dagoth Ur, make sure you have a fortify Health potion or spell. You can also fortify your Strength by using the cheat and then strike Dagoth Ur before equipping Wraithguard, as you might kill Dagoth Ur (2nd Form). However, this path may take the fun out of the game and the challenge.
I moved this because it doesn't make much sense... why do you need to fortify strength? And the rest of that sentence is completely unclear. I also don't see why it would spoil the game. –RpehTCE 01:52, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Why is Wraithguard described as so essential?[edit]

It's hardly Suicide. Even without abusing alchemy, it's quite easy to have a very very high health maximum in morrowind, at least for long enough to get off a few blows of sunder and keening and then switch to a different weapon. Wraithguard makes things easier but I wish we would stop with all this "doomed" type description of simply using sunder and keening on their own. I mean, the backpath requires 200+ health already. The backpath for the backpath probably only requires about 800 health or so. Far from suicidal.--69.249.124.89 06:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe the Notes section should be taken out of this page. One, Yagrum Bagarn will talk to you even if you have killed the residence of the courprsarium (I will double check on this). Two, I agree with the aforementioned paragraph, it is no where near suicidal to wield kneeing and sunder without wraithguard. I also think that this page should mention the simplest main quest backpath of just obtaining Kneeing and Sunder and attacking the Heart of Lorkhan.--Zar Pof 05:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Question....[edit]

Can you enchant the unenchanted jury rig wraith gaurd and then activate it? Or does the enchantment simply dissapearonce yagrum starts it up? — Unsigned comment by 94.10.225.43 (talk) on 29 January 2009

The unenchanted version is not equippable. 92.29.70.240 05:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't know why I didn't spot this earlier but the unenchanted version has an id of misc_wraithguard_no_equip, which should have given me a bit of a clue! rpeh •TCE 13:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

two quest to finish the main quest[edit]

If I kill vivec before finish the first quest ,than will I be able to do this quest.(Vvardfell 11:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC))

Why not? --Brf 12:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

A bug or a feature?[edit]

According to the dialouge, your character and Yagrum seemed to be well informed of the danger of using the jury-rigged gauntlet. Is it really a bug or is that the way it was supposed to work? — Unsigned comment by 71.175.214.217 (talk) at 12:24 on December 27, 2010

It attributes this to a fault in the script, so I assume that it was perhaps supposed to be a drain health, or just damage that would return like usual. I haven't seen any Morrowind script though, so I can't say for sure. --DKong27 Talk Cont 18:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
The script calls it "Extra Damage", but then does a ModHealth, reducing the player's health by that 200-225. The Morrowind Patch changes that to ModCurrentHealth, as if it were simple damage. --Brf 01:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

disposition[edit]

"If Yagrum's Disposition is below 90, you will need 30 Reputation" Yagrum is a creature he has no disposition right? (Eddie the head 13:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC))

That's very true. The condition is still on the dialogue option though. I don't know whether that means you always need 20 reputation or always need 30, and I don't have a save to test it with. rpeh •TCE 15:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't have any experience with the game mechanisms with Morrowind, but in Oblivion, Creatures do have disposition, but of course you cannot persuade them, or talk to them. Perhaps he simply has his persuasion removed? But anyway, it should be easy enough to test with the PC version if anyone has it...--DKong27 Talk Cont 18:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Creatures do not have disposition. Surprisingly, dealing with disposition on a crature fails to create a CTD. GetDisposition always returns 0, disposition in dialogs is ignored. Karl1965 13:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Likely it's just a leftover from game developement. It doesn't affect anything for creatures, verified it myself.178.150.75.43 13:48, 17 January 2015 (GMT)

Does wearing both Wraithguards give double the perks?[edit]

Just curious - if you choose the route of getting the good one, then getting the jury rigged one as well, do the buffs stack? If so... then hell, we could claim the -200 or so health to be a balancing issue, since those are some pretty nice perks. If not though... I really don't see the point in getting the jury rigged version. — Unsigned comment by 70.253.71.36 (talk)

Yes, the enchantments stack, and you can wear both, since one is a right glove and the other is left. (Though the left one looks like a Daedric Gauntlet, so they won't match. Yours truly actually released a mod years ago that fixes that among other things. Probably still out there somewhere - look for "Lurlock's Left Gloves".) The point of getting the jury-rigged one is so that it is still possible to beat the game even if you screwed up and killed somebody important. (Like Vivec, or any member of the Fyr family, etc.) It has a major drawback of course, but that's what you get for just killing people you shouldn't. --TheRealLurlock Talk 22:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Reputation check[edit]

Using the console I could make Yagrum Bagarn help me both with and without 20 reputation. To me it is unclear, whether this is a bug, intended, or if even I did something wrong... -- 94.55.193.225 20:43, 15 January 2013 (GMT)

Likely it is a bug. Checked dialog scripts, succesful actions are only possible with >= 20 reputation, >=30 or having documents in your inventory, all of which lead to different responses (aside from refusal).178.150.75.43 13:31, 17 January 2015 (GMT)

The "jury rig" typo in the item ID[edit]

Should this come up again, please centralize discussion at Morrowind_talk:Wraithguard#"Jury rig". — Darklocq  ¢ 04:38, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Clarity on the permanent health loss[edit]

I think the article could be a little clearer on the bug causing jury-rigged Wraithguard's health loss to be permanent. It seems to be implying that it directly damages your maximum health, otherwise if you had enough health already and fortified it to try to evade the permanent loss, you could just heal the damage caused by the Fortify Health effect itself wearing off, or not even bother if you slapped on the soultrap glitch with whatever spell you used to fortify your health. 68.107.137.127 13:46, 5 July 2019 (UTC) Edit: Someone else stated 9 years ago that this is in fact the case so I'm going to go ahead and change the article to explicitly state that it does damage your maximum health.