Oblivion talk:Edgar's Discount Spells

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Redundancy[edit]

I don't understand... Investing is a perk of 75+ mercantile. If you're investing, you have 75 mercantile. "You can't invest, even after 75 mercantile." Having 75 mercantile is the only requirement. You can't invest before, you can invest after. The only reason to keep that is if you wanted to cram in an extra link to make the page look fuller. And that's not even a legitimate reason. I'm not going to start an edit war, but I think the redundancy should be taken out, because it seems like text for text's sake. Explain your reasoning behind the revert, because I'd like to understand what I did wrong. Colovian 02:39, 10 February 2008 (EST)

It's not about trying to cram in extra links; it's about trying to make sure that readers get the information that they're looking for. And given that there are only five merchants in the game who don't allow you to invest in their store, I think it's worth adding a few extra words to make sure that readers understand that this is an exception to the usual case. It also provides readers who have never heard of investing in a store (because they haven't reached that level of mercantile skill) some explanation of what investing is and why it's noteworthy even though they've never heard of it.
If you already know everything about the game inside out, then the information may be redundant. But to the average reader, I don't think it's redundant information; without that phrase, there are no links on the page or other easy way for the typical reader to get the additional information. Therefore I think that deleting the phrase hurts readers rather than helping them. --NepheleTalk 13:47, 10 February 2008 (EST)
We could link 'invest' to the 'Mastery Skill Perks' section on the Mercantile page. Then their would be no redundancy, and the link would inform uniformed readers of what investing is and how to do it. Change the article if you agree. Colovian 19:27, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Prices[edit]

Just wondering, are the spells he sells actually cheaper than the same ones other merchants sell? — Unsigned comment by 68.238.236.4 (talk) on 29 March 2009

Don't know about merchants in other towns, but in my game, Edgar has always been cheaper than Calendil for the spells they both sell, regardless of disposition and character race (for example, I still got cheaper prices from Edgar when playing as an Altmer). --Gaebrial 03:04, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
I imagine that's down to the difference in their Mercantile skill - 60 for Calindil vs 40 for Edgar. It would be worth comparing Edgar's price for the Ease Burden, Summon Scamp and Starlight spells to those offered by Delphine Jend - who has only 6 Mercantile. –RpehTCE 03:26, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
I've done some price comparisons with nothing but Oblivion.esm and DLCShiveringIsles.esp loaded. I created an Imperial Male, sign and class both Warrior, so I didn't get any spells or any bonus to personality. I used the console to travel directly to the three vendors, and used the 'Haggle' button to set them all to sell at 60%, but didn't adjust their disposition. Here are the related settings:
Edgar Vautrine: Disposition 46, buys at 157%, sells at 60%
Calendil: Disposition 52, buys at 162%, sells at 60%
Delphine Jend: Disposition 77, buys at 156%, sells at 60%
I had to join the Mages Guild in order to locate Delphine - she was hiding upstairs - so that may have had an effect. Anyway, here are the prices of the various spells they have in common:
Ease Burden: Edgar sells at 227, Delphine sells at 224
Eyes of Eventide: Calendil 214, Delphine 206
Heal Major Wounds: Calendil 400, Delphine 384
Minor Life Detection: Edgar 94, Calendil 97
Protect: Edgar 66, Calendil 68
Starlight: Edgar 85, Calendil 87, Delphine 84
Summon Scamp: Edgar 378, Delphine 374
Touch of Rage: Calendil 195, Delphine 187
It looks from the Edgar/Calendil results that disposition has a negligible effect (if any) on the prices you are offered - it probably has more of an effect on how far you can move the 'Haggle' slider. Edgar is consistently cheaper than Calendil, and Delphine is consistently cheaper than Edgar. Given their different mercantile skills, this would seem the major factor, although I would have expected Delphine to be even cheaper than she is.
--Gaebrial 13:40, 30 March 2009 (EDT)