Oblivion talk:Melisi Daren

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Sera/Muthsera[edit]

I'm trying to confirm the statement:

Melisi seems to be one of the few Dunmer that refers to the player as "sera".

In vanilla Oblivion, any Dunmer NPC can say hello (in the "HELLO" dialogue category under conversation) using "What is it, sera?" or "What is it, muthsera?", if their disposition is between 30 and 70. All that's different with Melisi is that Battlehorn castle adds these lines to the "GREETING" category (under topics), and there is no disposition-dependence. I'm not sure what the technical difference is between a "GREETING" and a "HELLO" in the construction set, but it seems to me that the bottom line in either case is that it is a line of dialogue that the NPC will say. In which case, this statement, as currently worded, is not true. All Dunmer should refer to the player as sera/muthsera, just under more limited conditions than Melisi. Can anyone confirm in game that they've heard this greeting from other Dunmer? Or can anyone see any quirk that makes the other dialogue not get used? --NepheleTalk 03:36, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Question is - even if it were true that Melisi was unique in using this dialogue - um, who cares? Is it really significant enough that it should be mentioned on the page either way? (Incidentally, "sera" and "muthsera" are very common forms of address among Dunmer - nearly everyone in Morrowind uses them when greeting anybody they don't completely despise.) --TheRealLurlock Talk 10:10, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
The 'HELLO' category is only used for random conversations between NPCs, as far as I know, and not for conversations with the player. Therefore, if Melisi is the only NPC to have the 'sera' line in the 'GREETING' category (which controls what an NPC says when the player initiates dialogue with them), then she will be the only NPC to use that address to the player. --Gaebrial 09:25, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Aren't the masculine/feminine forms "serjo"/"sera" respectively in Morrowind, and "muthsera" a variation of the feminine form?--Quill 18:59, 8 February 2008 (EST)
I don't think 'muthsera' is exclusively female. My male character in Morrowind was recently addressed as such by Ajira. --Gaebrial 03:28, 11 February 2008 (EST)
Then maybe that's the case I just inferred from my assumption (which may well be wrong) of "serjo"/"sera" being male/female forms of the same word, that "muthsera" was a variation. You wouldn't happen to know if "serjo" is ever used when referring to female characters? (By the way, there seems to be a lot of titles for addressing people in Morrowind, and some of them, like "sedura" and "kena", I've only found in books.)--Quill 09:30, 11 February 2008 (EST)
From what I know of the Elder Scrolls III and IV is that Sera is a title of respect, Muthsera a title of great respect, and Serjo basically means friend. Regardless of what gender you are.
Tivela Lythandas also called me muthsera with my male Argonian character, so I strongly doubt it applies to a specific gender or race.92.3.179.207 20:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)SlayingSoul
In Morrowind, clearly "sera" and "muthsera" are interchangeable in terms of gender. In Oblivion, if someone is talking to a dark elf and they're male, they will be addressed as "sera"; if they're female, it will be "muthsera"...except by Tivela Lythandas, as noted above, who addresses both genders as "Muthsera" after you've completed A Brush With Death.
My take on it is that either it signals a change in concept (or a fix of something they'd intended in Morrowind), or more likely, that it's just a cheap way of randomizing whether "sera" or "muthersa" is heard. Robin Hoodtalk 21:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

() Following up on the original conversation, the difference between a GREETING and a HELLO, as I understand it, is that the GREETING is a "Topic" and is therefore only used when you actively talk to (activate) the NPC; HELLO is a "Conversation" and is used when the discussion is passive from the player's point of view (i.e. it's two NPCs talking to each other, or the player is just passing by an NPC and the NPC says something). Therefore, Melisi is the only NPC to address the player as "sera" or "muthsera" during active conversation. Others (tested with Bongond) will do so as part of their random greetings when you're passing by, provided it's not overridden by a higher-priority item like a quest line (e.g., Aldos Othran's seriously annoying Cliff Racer song). Robin Hoodtalk 22:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

"Muth'sera. A term used as greeting to an individual or creature they respect, admire, or in appreciating their presence." - — Unsigned comment by 98.197.203.102 (talk) at 03:54 on 16 March 2013‎

Time to she do the trophies[edit]

In te text says that the only way to do more than 2 trophies is using the bear and another. But if give more than one item she go and create all in one day — Unsigned comment by 201.82.172.195 (talk) on 13 June 2009

No, it takes 24 hours to complete one, technically. However, she finished the bear before 10, which means you have an hour to get another one in. --Mr. Oblivion(T-C) 18:03, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
are you sure. when I bought the trophy room upgrade I gave all the required ingredients and waited a day. when I entered the great hall all the trophies were ready.

Talking Fast[edit]

When you ask for her make a statue you don't have the correct items for, she says "You don't have theitemsineed. I'm sorry." She says this very fast. Why does she do this? (I maent to type it theitemsineed, that is the part she says fast.)--Arch-Mage Matt 21:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting Packages?[edit]

"Melisi is the one character in the castle who gets a full eight hours of rest, sleeping in the bed in her office between 10pm and 6am. She eats once a day, taking her meal in the east wing dining hall between 8pm and 11pm."

Wouldn't the eating package overlap and thus cancel the sleeping package? MrL 20:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

That's why we have in-game checking as well as CS. Still needs doing. rpeh •TCE 07:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)