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  • Gwinas appears to be an innocent. If you follow the path of goodwill, you should avoid killing the fellow. He's also one of those rare characters in the game who lives outside the province of Cyrodiil.
Yes, it's fairly easy to talk him into giving up the book (and you get to call him a fool, something always appreciated). On the province information bit, that's interesting - I guess the bookstore owner mentions it, doesn't he? --Edwin Herdman 04:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
Quite the opposite, in fact: Gwinas is in reality an innocent, but he appears very guilty. The man is in contact with the Mythic Dawn, the note from the Sponsor proves this. Furthermore, he's trying to join the cult. Only by fortuitous (and a little contrived) circumstance do you find out he's horrified by the fact the Mythic Dawn killed Uriel Septim and suddenly decides to betray the cult he had worked so hard to sign up with (a little out of character, too). If Gwinas was of a more devious disposition (and you'd the Mythic Dawn catered to that sort) he could have easily betrayed you to Raven Camoran and the gang after you spoke with him. In any case, a player without the benefit of forseight might conclude stealing or killing this potential Mythic Dawn initiate to be a rational option.

Baurus Frozen

Recently re-starting the game with the 1.511 patch I had the main quest bug up on me in Luther Broad's - after killing the Mythic Dawn agent, Baurus asked me to search the body, I did, taking the book, but at the point where two dialogue options appeared he didn't then move on to the step of asking me to visit the Arcane University to find out about the Mythic Dawn's books. I knew to go there anyhow, but could not access critical dialogue in order to get the quests for books 3 and 4 to show. --Edwin Herdman 04:28, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I've encountered a problem similar to that. When Baurus and the agent first went into the basement, neither did anything, just sat there. If I left and came back in they started thrir fight. While I could talk to Baurus none of his facial animations worked and when we arrived at the sewers he did the same thing. He just sits there and never starts moving so we can get on with the quest. Is there a way to just mark the quest completed and get around it, or a way to fix it?
This just happened to me, on my first time playing. I tried using the kill console command, and he fell down then stood up and would have facial animations, but didn't walk anywhere. By pushing him to a door, he would walk through it. By walking away for a few areas, I would get the message that he was knocked out and upon return he would freeze again. However, I'm at a loss for how I'm supposed to continue the game. -- 20:40, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Exiting the game and reloading after pushing him out of the building has made him start moving, this could be a possible fix every time. However once he enters a new area, I get the message that he was knocked out again and when I enter sure enough he's frozen. Saving and reloading makes him move, but I'm unsure how this will affect parts of the game where I don't follow him. -- 20:49, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Baurus got stuck for me inside his tavern when he should walk to the sewers. I pushed him out and exit/reload, nothing. Pushed him back into the tavern, walked in, he wasn't there and the map told me he was already in the sewers, went there and he was unstuck. fyi for googlers. 14:56, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
I found an easy fix to this problem (it worked perfectly for me, your results may vary): Make a save in the same area as Baurus, then open up the console (the ~ button, to the left of the 1 key) and type "pcb". pcb stands for Purge Cell Buffer, it basically reloads the room for you. After you've typed in pcb, just hit the console button again. Baurus isn't fixed yet. Now load up the old save, and Baurus should be back to normal. You will have to do this every time Baurus enters a new room, but it's a lot better than not being able to finish the main quest.
I have a problem with Baurus right before the door to the Chamber of the Lost Catacombs. He keeps pacing back and forth for about three or four steps, and then walks back to the door. When I talk to him he just says he knows the way and he wants me to follow him. When I knock him unconscious, he just gets back up and goes right back to pacing. What do I do? --The Lost One 03:29, 29 January 2010

Exiting the cell and waiting 24 hours usually works.--Corevette789 18:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean exit the room he's in, or the whole sewers completely? --The Lost One 14:50, 31 January 2010

I have the same problem. Baurus is stuck in the basement when i killed the Mythic Dawn agent. I took the book before he told me to, and when i have spoken to Baurus he told me to do it. After i re-did it (searched the body and talk to Baurus again) he told me to talk to Tar-Meena. I did that too, but quest says that i have to speak to Baurus about a strange book i've found. WHen i try to talk to Baurus again, he says that he thinks that he told me to speak to Tar-Meena, and that he has his own problems, or something like that, and he is stuck down there. I diseabled all the data files i installed (knights of the nine, etc) and tryed to 'pcb' the room, but it doesnt work.

Baurus Hostile

I also had a problem after I had killed all of the Mythic dawn agents Baurus tried to kill me. I tried to yield, but he kept coming so I had to kill him. — Unsigned comment by (talk)

If you piss someone off to the point where they want to kill you, yes, you'll have a problem. It's not a bug, though, just a bad decision about how to play the game. Especially since Baurus dying at that point does not mess up the quest. --NepheleTalk 03:54, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Mysterium Xarxes Required

If you get rid of the first 3 Mysterium Xarxes you can't finish the quest. I had to find that out the hard way. Also they are not quest items but still don't drop them.— Unsigned comment by (talk)

Sorry, but that's really not true. The moment you obtain one of the volumes, the quest updates and you no longer need the book. Tar-Meena may prompt you about the books towards the end of the quest, but you don't need to even talk to Tar-Meena to finish the quest at that point; you definitely do not need the books. So please check your facts before giving other players incorrect advice. --NepheleTalk 03:54, 13 November 2007 (EST)


If you dawdle before reporting to Baurus after procuring Volume 3, he may come and find you instead, and his range extends even outside the Imperial City. This can prove annoying, as you will be forced to travel with Baurus manually the entire way back to the Sewers. Using fast travel to expedite the journey will not work, as Baurus does not follow you (rather vice-versa). [Edit: This is not always true. I fast-traveled to the City and found Baurus waiting for me just inside the sewers] Baurus also has no horse and does not run. He does, however, automatically attack bandits and other hostiles.

This comment was moved from the main article page for verification, original author was Circle V, 20:23, 7 July 2006

On my higher leveled assassin character I was quite unhappy (to put it mildly) when I found Baurus waiting for me in freakin' Leyawiin. You may need to be able to run fast, but I found that if I attacked Baurus and provoked a fight, he would run after me the whole way to the Imperial City, at which point I just yielded to him.
Just today I did this with a new character (on version 1.2.0416)—after stealing the book from Gwinas, I fled the guards and was most of the way to Anvil before I turned around. Baurus met me out in the wilderness, and after the normal dialogue he turned around to go back to Imperial City. I fast-traveled ahead of him, and while he didn't go with me, I was able to wait in the city while he made his own way back. Marbx 20:32, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

So I'm not sure anyone still reads this, but I was bored and picked up this game from my roommate's shelf.

I dawdled. Baurus found me hunting for fish just outside the Imperial City. But even then I refused to follow him, I just ran off and did another few quests in various cities. Now I'm back in the Imperial City and the arrow indicates that he is sitting in one of the pillars holding up the bridge into the city. Any ideas on how to reset this quest, or get him somewhere I can see him?


Tar-Meena wont give me Mythic Dawn Commentaries 2 — Unsigned comment by (talk)

I had the same problem. After looking for a fix, I found out that you can get items with the (~) command with the PC version. So to fix this bug, I did "player.additem 00022B05 1" I also needed to add the remaining 2 books to be able to continue the quest. The number for book #3 is 00022B06 and for book #4 is 00022B07.

100% Chameleon

I asked Baurus to meet Raven and as soon as they started talking, I pickpocketed the "Mythic Dawn Commentaries Vol.4" from Raven at which point a quest update got triggered and everyone just started walking away as if nothing happened. I was 100% chameleon of course. --Sundaroct131088 03:19, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Yup I can confirm it. This seems to trigger the next part of the quest without having to fight the cultists, not even Raven. This also makes sure Baurus survives. --Sundaroct131088 11:14, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Can you help me then? I tried to pickpocket the book, but every time I took it, it didn't show up in my inventory. It just exited out and he kept talking. I know he didn't see me, so that's not it.

Tomb of Prince Camarril

I ecountered a bug that enables me from activating the Tomb of Prince Camarril. I spoke with Tar-Meena, went to the Palce district waited for the sun to reach the tip of the tower, and NOTHING. The tomb never starts glowing. I have tried repeatedly and nothing works. Also Tar-Meena has disappeared from the Arcane University so I can't follow her. Does anyone have any suggestions? Amber04 12:02, 14 January 2008 (EST)amber04

Sounds like a glitch. If you're playing on the PC you'll be able to continue the quest by typing in a console code. If you're playing on the 360 or PS3 then make sure that you're there at around noon and after the sun reaches the tip of the tower wait for a while to see if anything happens. If nothing happens after a few minutes then there is a glitch, and loading a previous save may fix it.--Willyhead 12:42, 14 January 2008 (EST)
The only other thing I can think of is that it wasn't sunny enough. If the sky is overcast it won't trigger the update. I spent a frustrating couple of days (in game) trying to get the update once. –RpehTCE 14:21, 14 January 2008 (EST)
About Tar-Meena: are you sure she has disappeared and not just went to the Mystic Archives in the University? She didn't sleep in the Mage's quarters?. - Korunox 14:08, 20 February 2008 (EST)

I had the same problem. The Tomb was glowing red like it was supposed to, but when I activated it, nothing happened. I also didn't talk to Tar-Meena the day after I found the 4th volume of the Mysterium Xarxes (ik where I needed to go), but now she's disappeared. ( 01:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

Finding Vol 3

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  • Finally, you can wait until you are in the sewers looking for the fourth book to find volume three of the book. It is laying on a table in the room where the Mythic Dawn cultists who walk along the upper ridge come out. It is sitting next to a few gold and some lockpicks.

I originally marked this as requiring verification, but as nothing has been forthcoming and I'm unable to confirm it myself, I'm moving this to here in case anybody else can manage to do so. I simply don't believe you can get the update to find Vol 4 until you have already obtained Vol 3. –RpehTCE 13:47, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Additional journal entry

If you meet the sponsor and attack him before the others see Baurus you get a 'The Sponsor wants me dead!' entry , im not sure how to add this to the article . 02:42, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

It's been added ot the journal entries. --NepheleTalk 01:00, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Baurus is dead

He died while we were trying to get the 4th book. Is this okay, or will something get messed up? I also still have his sword, wasn't sure if I needed to keep it or not.

He's not neccessary, but he does help in later quests. You're fine if he died, all he does is provide some unique dialogue and acts as an extra soldier in the endgame quests. Oh, and he gives you free training that will take you 5 minutes or 500 gold to do manually. --Xyntfos 15:23, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Possible Early Access - When does Raven spawn?

I noted something when I added an edit from the original article, it's possible to tag him out of line-of-sight using a spell. Unfortunately I no longer have a savegame from before I began the MD part of the Main Quest, so I can't test this out:

is it possible to gain early access to that section of the sewers (and therefore, the Sunken Sewers key/loot/his ring) before the quest by using the method outlined in the article? It should draw Raven out, but I am not sure if he spawns before the quest. Thanks to anyone with the knowledge. -- Guest 06:52, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Gwinas's Questism

Is Gwinas a quest item so that he doesn't dissapear? 07:52, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes. –RpehTCE 07:54, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Is he always a quest item? Helper Unknown 07:56, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Yes. –RpehTCE 08:12, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
Okay... Helper Unknown 08:28, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Lost volume 3

i have lost the mythic dawn book #3 can i re buy it again ? need help — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 27 September 2008

I don't think you need it once you've gotten the quest update. But if you do and can't get it back, and you have the PC version, you can add it back via the console, but I'm not sure what the ID is for it. --Darkheart 11:19, 1 March 2009 (EST)


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  • If Baurus becomes unconscious during his fight with Astav, a bug can occur in which his health will constantly stay low (it willl be stuck on the amount of health he has when he becomes conscious again); even if you try to heal him with spells, he will not regain health. Also, it could lead to him being stuck and not going to the table in the seweres, as well as not showing facial expression while talking to you. Even if he is not stuck, it will prove difficult to keep him alive during the fight with the agents in the sewers with such low health. It could also lead to corrupt savegames, so be careful.

I've moved this rather than just marking it as requiring verification because there are several unrelated claims. I've never experienced anything remotely like this myself. There's no reason a character's health should be affected and why this should lead to him becoming stuck. As for the savegame corruption... coincidence? –RpehTCE 12:10, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

This messed up my game. He got knocked unconscious before I could do anything, then I ran in to kill the mythic dawn agent. After, when he needed to lead me to the sewers, I found his health was dangerously low, and after that I constantly crashed if I loaded the savegame. I had to restart from an earlier save because of this.

weird bug wont let me complete quest?

Baurus talked to the the sponsor as i killed the 2 guards up top, I left the room for 2 seconds and came back in and the sponsor couldnt be found. baurus asks me to search the body for the book, but there is no body and no book. The green indicator is also just glitching around not staying still. i have no previously loads. i didnt think much of it now have like 140 hours and completed all the guilds, really dont wanna restart.

Deleted Text

The following text was recently added to the article, along with a UOP tag:

  • When Baurus and you get to the sponsor room, the sponsor and guards may not come.

I've moved the text here because it doesn't provide any useful information (what triggers the bug, what exactly happens if you have the bug, how to fix the bug) and also because it seems very dubious that the bug is actually fixed by UOP. --NepheleTalk 18:46, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Baurus Invisible

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Even if you make Baurus invisible and everything remains peaceful, you cannot talk to the Sponsore when his monologue ends and he doesn't give you the book by himself.

I don't understand what this means. If somebody does, can they rephrase and put it back on the article. –RpehTCE 05:46, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Stealing the books

Does anybody know if you can steal the books from someone such as Eugal Belette and trigger the quest that way? Maybe it would help laundering the books with the help of a fence first. I'm not sure if you can only use the specific books given to you during the quest. For example, when you get the quest update "Baurus wants me to search the dead agents body", would you be able to leave the room, steal a copy of volume. 1 and trigger the update, or do you need the specific book that Astav Wirich is carrying? It would be quite nice to know if this is possible. It would be a quick for theif characters to work their way around this quest if they were busy. Can anyone find this out by reading the construction set or testing it in game? — Unsigned comment by Blue deep (talkcontribs) on 25 January 2009

Looks to me like any copy of the book will do. Every copy has the script that updates the quest so it should work. I haven't tested this in game though. –RpehTCE 06:49, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Lost Books

Moved here from article's bug section:

  • If you lose volume 2 and 3 of the commentaries, by either selling or dropping them you're stuck. If anyone finds out how to find another copy of these, please edit.

I have no idea why this is supposed to be a bug, or why you're supposedly "stuck" if you lose the books. The quest updates when you first obtain each book -- you don't even have to read the book, just have it added to your inventory. Volume 3 only becomes a non-quest object after the quest update, therefore it is impossible to lose the book without obtaining the quest update. For volume 2, it's never a quest object because there are multiple copies of the book -- and also because it does not itself trigger any quest updates (there's a quest update at the same time you're given the book, but the book itself does not cause the update).

After first obtaining the books, you are no longer required to keep either book. The only remaining purpose for the books is to extract the clue about where the cult is located. However, if you've lost the books, you can read the books here on the site or you can read the quest walkthrough, and therefore you can figure out what to do without any of the books.

So: why are you stuck if you lose the books? Why do you need to obtain another copy of the books? What part of the quest are you unable to complete? Where is the bug? --NepheleTalk 16:58, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

i can get help right?

can i use followrs such as mage apprentices and dark brotherhood murderers to help keep baurus alive?--Repeater 11:01, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't see why not, though that'll blow your cover immediately, since Raven asked you to come alone.--Darkheart 12:59, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

How many copies?

Out of curiosity (and for the sake of collectors), how many copies of volumes 3 and 4 exist in-game? Volumes 1 & 2 seem quite numerous, and volume 4 probably only spawns once, but what about volume 3? Anybody with a console want to tackle this? (PS3 user) 11:34, 15 June 2009 (EDT)Marcus

There is indeed only one copy of volume 4 (in the possession of Raven Camoran). Apart from Gwinas, three more copies of volume 3 can be found; one in the sewers, and two in Lake Arrius Caverns. --Timenn < talk > 12:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Wow! That was an incredibly fast response! Thanks so much! 12:14, 15 June 2009 (EDT)Marcus


I went to the sewers without Baurus, sat down on the chair and waited... and waited and waited...

And nothing happened. Pity, I would have liked to do what the note to Gwinas says - go alone!— Unsigned comment by (talk) at 18:51 on 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. You have to go with Baurus, or not at all. --Darkheart 18:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved Note

To keep Baurus an essential character and from ever dieing tell him your not ready and go in to the meeting room and attack the sponsor with a area of affect spell then proceed to kill him and take the book it should keep Baurus from losing his essential status.

When does he lose his essential status? At the beginning of the quest or the middle of it? Also, is this even worth mentioning? --Elliot(T-C) 23:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Just looked at the article. It's already mentioned, and in greater detail. Delete.--Darkheart 23:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I would have seen it if I weren't so busy or the article wasn't so unnecessarily massive. And I can't delete it... it was already moved. --Elliot(T-C) 23:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm the one who wrote this b'c i discovered after this quest he was still essential when I killed the sponser with a area of effect. He loses his essential status once you get done deciding who meets with the sponsor and who looks over it so if you just told baurus to wait he doesn't lose his status he keeps it b/c he never enters the sponsor room and it mentions it b/c I wrote about it in two different locations of the article.— Unsigned comment by Pufddybutrbisct (talkcontribs) on 9:47, 22 July 2009
It doesn't need to be mentioned twice. Also, it was previously mentioned with You may still wish to take the lead to protect Baurus on the way, though he is marked essential until the meeting with the sponsor, and so cannot be killed. If you get too far ahead.... So it didn't need more explanation. --Elliot(T-C) 17:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm talking about after this quest if you do it that way he keeps his essential status even after the quest is done is what im trying to get at hell never die at the battle of bruma or lighting the dragon fires he remains unkillable. I guess i worded it in a wrong way to get you confused. — Unsigned comment by Pufddybutrbisct (talkcontribs) at 19:20 on 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Even so, someone will have to also confirm this here as it needs more input from other editors. --Elliot(T-C) 19:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
An email alerting me of the page being edited listed the summary "I'm standing in Cloud Ruler Temple after raiding the Dagon shrine and Baurus is still essential ... I think we can take this as confirmed. " I think we need to see a screenshot or just a photo proving this, just of the 'crown' icon over Baurus while standing next to something that proves it is after this quest.— Unsigned comment by Mental Gear (talkcontribs) at 13:42 on 24 August 2009
I think it's comfirmed by now. Baurus is still essential after the Dagon Shrine while he should have become mortal after this quest. I think that means he will remain essentail throughout the game. Since two people have confirmed it now, it does look like it's true Wolok gro-Barok->T->C->E 18:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

KotN sitting glitch renders quest impossible?

I've been trying to compile a list of quests that completing 'Umaril the Unfeathered' renders impossible due to the infamous sitting glitch. So far, only The Ultimate Heist seems affected. Is it still possible to sit on the stool in the Boarding House (not sit as such but at least have the game continue as it would at the start of Shivering Isles) or will you be stuck forever as you will at the end of the Ultimate Heist?

Also, can anyone tell me if the sitting glitch makes it impossible for vampires to feed? I read that it messes with the animation but it does not confirm nor deny if it makes it impossible. Mental Gear 16:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

You can remove this quest from that list. Only one of, like, 5 ways to complete the quest requires you to sit. The others: Have Baurus meet the Sponsor, or Don't sit down, and just start hacking away, etc. etc. But your second question you may want to ask on this page.
Edit: Oh, right, you mean the first part. as well. It's not impossible; you could cast a Frenzy spell on the Mythic Dawn agent and kill him, or just kill him out right and deal with the bounty. But if you're playing a "good" character, then I don't know of any ways to complete the quest. --Darkheart 16:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Last part of the quest + Vampirism

Noon sun + Vampirism is a tad painful. Haven't actually tested yet, but I'm looking for a good place to wait in order to time the run to the shrine perfectly so I don't take too much sun-damage. I might just have to potion-spam to keep it at bay. Any bright ideas? ~ SotiCoto 19:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The entrance to the palace is very close by, why not use that? --Timenn-<talk> 09:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
You could feed on somebody the night before so you lose the sun damage. --Darkheart 12:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Moved note

Even if you drop the "Mythic dawn commentaries, volume 4", before you showing it to Tar-meena, you may be still able to get the out the Lake Carrius caverns quest update by going to the tomb of prince Camarril at the noon.

I know that the two always glows red at noon regardless if you have the books or not, but I don't remember if it makes a difference at the caverns. Anyone confirm this? Thanks. –Elliot talk 20:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

You can't drop the Commentaries Volume four until you activate the tomb of Prince Camaril, triggering the quest. update The book stops being a quest object at stage 100 in this quest. --Darkheart 01:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Raven Camoran is not turned hostile towards the player

If you follow through with Baurus's suggestion and let him do the talking, Raven Camoran will not be set hostile towards the player at the end of the conversation (he is only turned hostile towards the one sitting at the table, in this case, Baurus). This can have weird consequences if he kills Baurus:

-If you talk to Raven, he will tell you to sit at the table.

-If you sit down and talk to him, he will engage in generic NPC conversation, but won't have any topics (except for the usual annoying "Anvil Prophet" topic that is present everywhere).

-If you are a vampire, he will say the usual "Stay away from me" greeting.

Even if he doesn't kill Baurus, he will never attack you, because he doesn't consider you to be hostile. Only Baurus is considered hostile by him.

The problem lies with Camoran's script "RavenCamoranScript". To fix, find the line "startcombat pointRef" and add another line after it: "startcombat player". This will turn Camoran hostile as soon as he finishes talking.

P.S. Maybe a better solution is to use the following code instead:

SetActorValue Aggression 100

ModDisposition player -100

The "startcombat" function is weird, because it will force the actor to attack the player even if he is invisible, so the enemy will say the usual annoying "She was here a second ago." WRFan 18:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Baurus just dissapeared?

I was at the stage of getting part 4 of the book in the sewers with Baurus, he went in the door and I went up the stairs onto the viewing platform. The two guys attacked me, and i retried numerous times and kept dying, so i simply gave up. I left the sewers and Baurus stayed there. I continued to play the game, and later on came back to the quest. I now go into the sewers, pass through the various doors until the room before the meeting, the quest arrow thing is green but Baurus is nowhere to be seen... what's happening and what do I do?

By the way this is on game of the year edition on PS3

Restarting is simply not an option lol I've done everything else pretty much and have now come back to the main quest and am stuck! Help!!!!!

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