Skyrim talk:Dovahkiin

Deletion

I don't see the purpose of this page. As far as we know, "Dovahkiin" is just a title and plays no actual role in gameplay. This type of article would be much more suited for lorespace, as it seems quite unnecessary to have it in the Skyrim namespace. I added a prod tag, but an IP removed it on the grounds that the article is linked to in three locations. I don't see this as reason enough to keep it; the only reason I can see is that it will probably need to be recreated at some stage. --Legoless 22:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, the IP was me on my iPhone. I think people are going to continue linking to this page and looking for this page, so having a page here will help readers. For comparison Morrowind:Nerevarine has a page in the MW namespace. --Nephele^Talk 23:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the example. I still don't see the point in the article, but keeping it for the simple reason of having it seems good enough. --Legoless 23:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Spelling

Im a little confused here, I have seen this name spelt in two different ways - Dovahkiin (the one spelt in the dragon language conversion?), and Dohvakiin (the game itself spells it this way, its on one of the stone tablets on the way up the 7k steps to the Greybeards). Which one is correct? -snowmonkey89 -14:10, 13 November 2011

Dovahkiin. I've never seen the second version ever. I have subtitles on and every time someone says Dovahkiin, it's spelled that way. ...Also, it's "spelled", not "spelt." Just thought I should throw that in there. Aresvallis 06:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks for that, the tablet I saw must have had a spelling mistake on it then. It's the one just outside the Greybeards if you want to check for yourself. - "Spelt"(verb) a simple past tense and past participle of spell - Dictionary.com (and it also happens to be in the Oxford English Dictionary). Just thought I should throw that in there too. -snowmonkey89 19:46, 18 November 2011

Tongues and Dragonborn?

My understanding from the dialogue when you first meet the Greybeards is that not all Tongues are Dragonborn, the key difference being that the Dragonborn are capable of killing a dragon permanently by absorbing its soul, while a typical Tongue, no matter how powerful, cannot, and instead must spend a lifetime of training to master their power. Is that about right? I only ask because a recent edit to the Nord page implies that Dragonborn is a synonym for Tongue, which doesn't seem right to me.Minor Edits 21:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Anyone can be trained to use their Voice to project a thu'um (shout). Examples being the Greybeards, who train in Pararthunax's Way of the Voice. Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, who according to NPCs used his Voice to murder the High King. Some higher-level Draugr can use Fus Ro and the Disarm shout, and the Dragon Priests can shout. The word "Dovahkiin" is translated into the common Tamrielic as "Dragonborn".

So yes, the notion that Dragonborn is a synonym for a Tounge is incorrect. It does take a lot of training. Arngeir is the only Greybeard who can speak. The others only ever whisper "Dohvakiin" when you talk to them, and this causes High Hrothgar to shake. Rhoan 19:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Heirs of the blood?

Are all children of a dragonborn, dragonborn themselves?--Br3admax 04:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Every monarch since the original St. Alessia has been Dragonborn; To wear the Amulet of Kings and light the Dragonfires is a requirement of office in the Cyrodiilic Empire. According to history we know that all the Emperors were noth actually related, as there is no evidence that Reman Cyrodiil was related to Alessia (See The Book of the Dragonborn)

. According to this source, I would say that being Dragonborn is not hereditary, but it is a blessing as part of St. Alessia's Convenant of Akatosh. Rhoan 20:09, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

since you play as the dragonborn in skyrim, couldnt he be part of the line of septims and become emperor because he is dragonborn? Is this the right are to ask about this, or no? Chizmad

Gates of Taco

Is this just made up, ehst backs up the new lore at the botttom?--Br3admax 00:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The edit was undone before you even posted your question. You can use the page history yourself to see when and why a change was done. --Nephele^Talk 01:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I know about the taco to oblivion part, I'm wondring about the dragonborn losing part, is the same fight during the quest to learn dragonrend, would you count that as a loss, offically?(I know he just went to the future)--Br3admax 01:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

dead dragonborn

we know player is the only living dragonborn dyring that time, but how about the dead one? Are there any dragonborn in Hall of valor and is tsun one(Vvardfell 11:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC))

All three of the Nord heroes who fight Alduin with you are probably dragonborn because they use the clear Skies dragon shout. I can't remember who Tsun is thouugh.RIM 12:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

That indicates that they were Tongues, but not necessarily Dragonborn. Minor Edits 21:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

They ain't dragonborn,they can't absorb dragon soul.(Vvardfell 11:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC))

(←) I think Tsun is a god who is Shor's thane/housecarl....until I took an arrow to the knee, Br3admax. 12:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I think that's a certainty, but it doesn't necessarily mean he was blessed by Akatosh in life. Minor Edits 12:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

(←) Tsun is an aedric god who guards Sovngarde's hall; as for the others, we don't know for sure. Some may have been dragonborn, or they may have just been tongues who learned to shout. As far as absorbing dragon souls goes in game, all dead dragons are scripted to give their souls to the player; it's a gameplay mechanic, not lore. --Lee 95 05:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Wrong. It's lore : soul-stealing as an ability of the Dragonborn is commented on by numerous NPCs and is also referenced in "The Book of the Dragonborn".206.76.160.254 23:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Dovahkiin-related mess up of epic proportions

I was reading up on this page a while ago, and realised something.

Why are we referring to the Hero of Skyrim in general terms as 'Dovahkiin' across the Lore board (check out Mephala's page as an example). They could be referring to St. Alessia, or one of any number of the big Dragonblood collection from any point in Tamriel's history.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to say this, but I really felt it needed bringing up. Right now it's a mess.

Signed, a concerned citizen SirBryghtside 22:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Using Dovahkiin, Dragonboorn and even you on a general information wiki page is nearly always unnecessary. The author ought to be using other wordings than those that require the use of second person when editing. Personally these are things that I'll edit out when I find them. Thuraya Salaris 23:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Dovahkiin is being used to avoid conclusion. We had a CP discussion on what to call the "Hero of Skyrim" in the lorespace. "Hero of Skyrim" would be one way to go, but we were looking for something less clunky. Dragonborn is a term used to refer both the group of people throughout history "blessed by Akatosh", such as Alessia, and the Hero of Skyrim, so it seemed the Hero needed a more unique moniker on the wiki to distinguish him/her. While in-game material could refer to other Dragonborn as "Dovahkiin", as they are interchangeable, to my knowledge no in-game material actually does, so it seems the most appropriate term. In other words, there's nothing stopping us if we wish to reserve the term "Dovahkiin" to refer to one specific Dragonborn here on the wiki. There are many conventions like this that standardize names on the wiki. You won't often see a Dunmer referred to as a Dark Elf, or an Orc referred to as an Orsimer. Sometimes we just gotta pick a horse. Minor Edits 09:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Imperial Attire?

Is the Dovahkiin apparently dressed as a Skyrim Imperial soldier? It looks like he's got the heavy body armor, the shield, and the light helmet on. Even more, Alduin's Wall was made before the "modern" Imperial Legion. --75.215.239.128 19:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be the Akaviri armor of the Blades. Before they protected the Emperors, they were dragon hunters. ES^{Question?•Email•Contribs} 19:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Jurgen Windcaller

He should be a dragonborn, because he is able to give player a dragon soul by his tomb.(Vvardfell 11:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC))

You don't get a dragon soul from going through Ustengrav; a dragon might've just been killed by NPCs or creatures near you, giving you its soul. It happens.

In terms of canon, we have no idea of whether or not he was or wasn't dragonborn; he may have just been a tongue. --Lee 95 04:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Please see the page Skyrim:The Horn of Jurgen Windcaller,the dragon soul is given through his tomb (Vvardfell 11:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC))

Son of Akatosh?

Just something I've been wondering, but given that the player in Skyrim is technically a dragon (having dragon blood/a dragon soul), is he also a son of Akatosh? --Lee 95 05:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

No,the son of akatosh is dragon, player just recieve gift from him, if blessing equal to son, than player can become son of any aedra(Vvardfell 15:42, 26 January 2012 (UTC))

It is not Akatosh as a father, but it is not a blessing blessing, it is literally his blood, the blood of a dragon.--Br3admax 22:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Not so unique

The Graybeards say any dragon can absorbe the soul of another, this is not unique to the Dovahkiin. Any being with a dragon's soul can absorb the knowledge of dragon speech.It should be removed from the article.--Br3admax 04:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Rephrased. Minor Edits 04:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Dragon blood

In the article and in several places in the game, dragon blood is referred to as "dovah sos". Yet Paarthunax speaks it as "sossedov" = "blood of dragon". Is this just one of the ambiguities of the dragon language, or is one version simply wrong? WooShell 12:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

It might be a lack of communication on the developers' part for which one to use, but I think it's more likely that it can be either way. We can say "dragon blood" or "blood of (the) dragon" in English and probably some other languages. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 15:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Does he/she speaks?

On my fourth play thru I was on the wolf queen wakened quest, I was trying to level my block skill so I was letting aela do all the killing. I was blocking attacks from a deathlord when he kneeled because of aela's arrows, the I heard "kill it" and aela put a final arrow on the dragr. I search the room to see if there was anyone else around, was my dragonborn speaking? It was not my imagination because my subtitles are on, and I saw it onscreen, I just didn't had time to read who sai that. Could please someone check it ?(ps3) latest patch. 189.100.5.49 23:00, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

It was most likely Aela who said it considering you can't hear yourself speak unless using a shout. — Unsigned comment by 68.231.197.3 (talk) at 18:03 on 20 May 2012

i was playing as a male dragonborn, and it was a male voice. i tried to do it again, i tried to make an enemy kneel and do nothing to see if my dragonborn would 'issue an order' but it never happened again. i am really curious about it. there's some sort of file with this "kill it" voice somewhere in the game codes?177.81.39.81 17:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The game data has the player character listed as "Prisoner" and much of the combat-related dialogue you hear in general is listed under that entry. However, there is no dialogue lines which say "Kill it" listed that I can find. I also looked at the draugr voice entries and saw nothing there either. My guess is that it is part of the quest rather than your character or the draugr you were fighting, but I'm unsure of how to figure this out for certain looking in CSlist. ABCface^◥ 23:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

well, tks a lot for checking it. although it just made me more curious. if i find out something else about it i'll post here. tks again.177.81.39.81 01:14, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Ysmir

At the end of The Horn of Jurgen WindcallerI recall Arngeir (this is when he translates the greeting) calling the Dragonborn Ysmir, this is the very name they gave to Talos, or Tiber Septim, I know that he says that it's the same greeting they gave to him... but still shouldn't it be described that one of his names is Ysmir? SonofKyne 21:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

WHAT ABOUT ME?

While playing skyrim I devided to jpin the collage of whinterhold and woth my mods spawned 30 magic anomalies. About one hour later aludun spawned. I deleted the mod and suddenly I had a follower called "what about me". The most ANNOYING NPC ever. All he said was "what the f$%& man" or "what about me BICH!!!!!" It was really annoying. And I can't kill him either. He is a alteration/deatruction master. Could you guys check it out for me plz  :) — Unsigned comment by 178.111.187.166 (talk) at 21:50 on 6 September 2012‎

Such a character does not exist within the game files. Contact the mod's author for information regarding this bug. Vely^►t►e 18:01, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

Rightful Emperor

Would it be right to say that since all the Septim Emperor's were dragonborn, than you are the rightful emperor? Thanks — Unsigned comment by 76.104.104.11 (talk) at 10:31 on 15 October 2012‎

Not necessarily. "Dragonborn" could be taken in several ways in terms of the emperors. For all we know, it could be a statement that they were blessed by Talos and Akatosh. Besides, being "Dragonborn" in the sense of Skyrim simply means you have the blood of the dragon and a greater aptitude than others at using the Thu'um, and history shows a few known men who knew the Thu'um, including Wulfharth, who had the power of the Voice before granting in to Talos.

This subject of whether the Dragonborn is of the Septim bloodline can only ever be speculative, and I am inclined to believe he isn't, since I can point out instances of people not blood related to a Septim. Eric Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 10:42, 15 October 2012 (GMT)

Dragonborn

So, since Dragonborn seems to blow the theory of whom the first Dragonborn was out of the water, is it too early to change the info on Alessia? Not necessarily change the article too much, just make it clear that she was not the first. I've already rewrite some of the article, it's just a mater of copy and paste, if it is not too early.--Br3admax (talk) 21:20, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

It's far too early. What's to say that Alessia isn't still the first "Dragonborn" and thus the protagonist in the DLC? Also consider that this first Dragonborn may be unknown to history, and so the line is accurate. She is "associated" with the title, not proclaimed or known to have been one. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:33, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

Well, Alessia is not a Dragon Priest. You have to be Dragonborn to seal the gates to Oblivion. She is similar to Talos, who is confirmed to be Dragonborn. That is why I said change it to show that she is undeniably is not the first, not the first named.--Br3admax (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

Miraak turned out to be a megalomaniac who made a deal with Hermaeus Mora to take over the world. It's not hard to see why the Blades, Greybeards and Imperial historians wouldn't talk about him. "Dragonborn" makes it clear that he was forgotten by everyone but the Skaal. Undoubtedly Imperial propaganda was involved in that one.

But here's another question: since Nerevar was said to be a Dragonborn, and since the Nerevarine had his soul, does that make your hero from Morrowind a Dragonborn? What about Mankar Camoran? He was able to wear the Amulet of Kings, like the Emperor. Everyone else who was able to wear the Amulet was a Dragonborn (Alessia, Reman, the Septim emperors).

Wild fan speculation is awesome! Black jack king (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2013 (GMT)

horrible succession

If dragonborn is able to absorb another dragonborn's soul , doesn't mean that whenever a septim emperor die ,one of it's family member will unconsciously absorb his soul and left him only his skeleton? Or they all know the fact that they are dragonborn and they are able to choose not to absorb the emperor's soul like the dragon do because they won't absorb their fellow's soul to allow them to be revived by alduin. It may sound ridiculous for me to answer my question myself. But what i want to talk is that dragon and dragonborn process the ability to not to absorb soul. And i want to ask that, if dragonborn's soul can be absorbed by dragonborn, should he be able to be revived by alduin is his soul is left untouched? (Vvardfell (talk) 05:03, 8 December 2012 (GMT))

Armor

what armor does the dragonborn wear in the trailer — Unsigned comment by Kittyborn (talk • contribs) at 09:07 on 19 June 2013

It looks like hide armor with an iron helmet to me. --Xyzzy ^Talk 05:30, 4 July 2013 (GMT)