Skyrim talk:Wyndelius Gatharian

Dead Thrall

i dont have a account but someone please put this in i used dead thrall on him and i noticed many things one his ghost effect seems to be scripted and when he is revived he looks "normal" but going through a door makes him ghost again he also does no moaning or groaning when revived (possibly intended) he instead says sentinces such as "there is a mortal\living among the dead and when people die he may say finally or fatality i cant tell wich. — Unsigned comment by 71.203.124.26 (talk) at 20:53 on 26 November 2011

i decided to take matters into my own hands and make that page (i am the guy above) if i did it wrong please fix it also that was on the ps3 i have no idea about other systems also please delete this and the thing above — Unsigned comment by Striker Z (talk • contribs) at 21:08 on 26 November 2011

Actually from my experience he is one of the best dead thralls. First of all, no moaning, and moreover unique comments during fights. Second, he is using all three elements: ice, fire, and electricity depending on enemies. He is ghost-like (which is kind of cool by itself) and thus it is easy to keep track of him in wilderness and dungeons. Third, it seems that he has a perma-corpse or at least he can be left unattended for much longer time than other corpses. The only drawback is that if some big weapon (like warhammer or battleaxe) stored in him he goes to melee with it even though he is much more effective with his spells.--31.128.131.53 20:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Philter of the Phantom

If you like the "PHILTER OF THE PHANTOM" potion enough so you don't mind erasing your memory storage of any updates, then making sure to have a high sneak level and/or apparel enchanted with sneak, plus it also helps to use some type of apparel with the fortify pickpocket enchantment on it as well. Side note: DO NOT take the journal on the table in his room and then take it to the inn until you are satisfied with the amount of potions that you obtain, for there is a bug when you get the claw and don't kill Wyndelius first, it stops you from being able to activate the puzzle even if it's in the correct position, which will keep you from moving forward in this mission. The only way to fix it is to reload a previous save and do it in the correct order: Kill Wyndelius, get journal then see the inn keeper who gives you the dragon claw for Shroud Hearth Barrow.

On with the process, once you've got the right level of sneak, garb and/or muffle spell, go in DON'T take the potion or journal off the table, but quietly pickpocket the ghost after midnight, he'll be easier to rob when he's asleep. Then if you're the type to wait, then you're in for about 30 days of waiting after you fast travel to a number of distant locations(not sure exactly.)

If you don't like how long it takes to wait and you're using the Xbox 360 or PS3, then follow these instructions:

1) Go into the wait menu.

2) Set the wait slide for desired hours. (To move it faster push right on the left joystick and quickly tap the right bumper.)

3) Press the button for OK.

4) Then press the guide button in the middle of the controller.

5) Listen for the ticking to stop or watch the background go from a haze to a clear picture. So simple even a cave kid could do it!

""Personally I like to play the game, so my method is to remember the date and then try to remember to open the wait menu to check it periodically."" --71.205.178.178 18:41, 21 December 2011 Johnny Perfect

I dind't kill Wyndelius (he was essential, seems the quest forgot to start...), but could go on with the barrow normaly... SarthesArai (talk) 15:46, 30 December 2012 (GMT)

I always keep Wyndelius as a thrall, mostly stored away in Breezehome, with a bounty letter to keep him permanently. Whenever I leave for a full 30 days, he will have a new bottle of the philter of the phantom in his inventory. Seems like he respawns these every 30 days, wether alive or dead. Aguestos (talk) 21:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Syndelius/Wyndelius

Well, it's bugged me for a while that Wyndelius Gatharian has an almost identical name as a character from SI, that is Syndelius Gatharian, also a Dunmer. It's also been mentioned on the latter's talk page that Syndelius is an odd name for a Dunmer. (This is of course a quite subjective claim, but I tend to agree.) I am definitely not sure about what to make of the connexion, if anything. Sure, they are both Dunmer, quest-related adventurers searching for treasure in a ruin, eventually going mad and/or getting killed, but it's a weak link to say the least. (There is also another Skyrim character with the same surname, Vanryth Gatharian, yet another Dunmer, but that might just be the fabled name generator, as I see no other similarities, except, perhaps, a shady occupation.) Well, I'm not sure myself, but perhaps it should be noted on their respective pages? At least to lessen the risk of mixing them up. --Quill (talk) 11:23, 10 January 2013 (GMT)

Without anything else linking them, I don't think it's worth mentioning on their pages. The names are different enough that they're not likely to be mixed up. — ABCface^◥ 07:23, 7 February 2013 (GMT)

Actually, this seems like an easter egg, and we normally link to people in the notes section with the same surname alone, so it's definitely worth adding ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 13:21, 8 September 2013 (GMT)

Gatharian Family names

In response to the above discussion, I'm not entirely sure it's worth noting that 3 individual NPCs with no apparent connection to each other share a surname. I could see how noting that Wyndelius and Vanryth share a surname might be justified, but Syndelius is in a different game altogether, so I can't see how it's worth mentioning in his case. It's not like we list on every single NPC's page which other NPCs share a name; the only times I can think of off the top of my head where we note similar names of unrelated/tangentially related characters are between Romlyn and Valen Dreth, who are linked by dialogue, and the Mages Guild member in Oblivion who has the same name as another Oblivion character of the same race and class.

I'm not a loremaster, but aren't Dunmer supposed to have large extended families/clans? Do we really have to mention that multiple people belong to the Gatharian clan? We don't mention that Hloval Dreth has the same surname as the other two Dreths, after all. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 16:20, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

Don't we usually note people who share names and surnames though? It always seemed notable, e.g. they could be related, they could be the same person etc. like with the case of Esbern, Brunwulf, Felen, and Dorian. Also, this page states that you can note NPCs with same names from different games, though there's nothing on surnames, so this is one murky grey area @_@ Also in Hloval Dreth's case, I think it's too common to be notable (with eight people), but only three people have Gatharian as their surname. —<({QT>> 16:43, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

Esbern's case I can understand, it's kind of like the two Arielles. Both Nord male members of the Blades and all that. And even in Brunwulf's case, it's shared with an author of a book that's only appeared in Skyrim, so it's conceivable that they might be related (albeit not likely). From my (admittedly uninformed) viewpoint though, it seems redundant to note all the NPCs with no connection except their names when we have pages in Lorespace listing common surnames. You're right that this is a whole lot of gray area, maybe it's worth re-evaluating whether or not the information is worth noting? The style guide does say that information should go in the notes section if anywhere, but it might not hurt to get some clearer guidelines. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 17:00, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

I definetely think notes like the one on Dorian's page or the one that used to be on Aerin's page should be removed. Dorian, an upper class Redguard in Oblivion, did not suddenly turn into a Breton pirate in Skyrim. I'd be in favor of noting it in cases like the Gatharians though, since the surname is fairly uncommon. All we are doing is saying that they share the same surname, we aren't speculating towards any sort of a connection. --AN|L (talk) 17:33, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

I agree about Dorian, and I guess I could be convinced that the surnames of Wyndelius and Vanryth are worth mentioning since they're in the same game, but my only concern is about consistency. The name "Dorian" isn't exactly common either, and we're not positing a connection there, so why note one but not the other? If we're not suggesting that there's a relationship, why note it at all? What's the cutoff point for an "uncommon" name? This is why I think a re-evaluation is in order, or at least some clarity in the style guide. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 18:09, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

I agree with Anil; if the two people with the same first name don't share their race, occupation, etc., I don't think it's noteworthy. It may be notable in cases where they share the same race, as two people in Skyrim are named after their parent (Idgrod and Kjeld), and even humans are known to live for over a hundred years. Surnames are more often inherited and shared than first names are. Anyway, yes, the policy does need to be changed or at least clarified. —<({QT>> 18:21, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

Since this is a continuation of the discussion I started over a year ago, maybe I should state the case again. While I myself am unsure about any connexion within the fictional game-universe, the similarities between Wyndelius and Syndelius go far beyond the surname. To begin with, their names are identical, save one letter, meaning that they might get easily mixed up. Furthermore, Syndelius and Wyndelius share a couple of other properties, as I mentioned above: "they are both Dunmer, quest-related adventurers searching for treasure in a ruin, eventually going mad and/or getting killed". What these shared properties and the almost identical name mean "lore-wise" is beyond me, though. Vanryth I mentioned only for completeness' sake, hence the parentheses. As far as I know there is no connexion between Vanryth and the other Gatharians, aside from the surname.Quill (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2014 (GMT)

(←) I guess if we can mention that the two of them share some similarities, I'd be fine with including it on the page. Something to the effect of "Wyndelius's name is similar to Syndelius, another Dunmer adventurer whose quest for lost treasure ends in disaster." For a second note, we could say something like "Wyndelius also shares a surname with a Dunmer named Vanryth, although the two do not appear to be related." I feel like listing the same thing on each one of their pages might get too redundant though, so maybe we could just mention it on Wyndelius's page? Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 14:21, 4 July 2014 (GMT)