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Username Change Request 2[edit]

I'd like my username on the wiki to be changed from "Jack ac jensen" to "jack_ac_jensen" - I tried the latter during my account setup and it didn't work. If the underscores are an issue, than you can just omit it. Thanks! Jack ac jensen 02:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

The name is unfortunately impossible with MediaWiki. The first letter of a wiki username has to be uppercase, and the wiki interprets underscores as spaces. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 16:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Would it still be possible to capitalize some characters? Is “Jack AC Jensen” possible? Sorry for the inconvenience, I am new to the Wiki. Jack ac jensen 11:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Done! --AKB Talk Cont Mail 18:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

ESO Wrathstone PTS Release[edit]

Wrathstone (update 21) is out today on the ESO PTS server:

  • uespLog -- Guilder trader interface needs to be completely redone.
  • Turn off sales logging/display (/uespsales off).
  • In uespTradeData.lua delete/comment lines 1868-1929 (-- The following is copy to -- End of copy...).
  • File Uploads -- Done!
  • Champion Points -- [Done!]
  • Skills -- [Done!]
  • Skill Coefficients -- Done!
  • Items -- Done!
  • Icons -- Uploaded!
  • Maps -- Done!

-- Daveh (talk) 14:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

images.uesp.net is slow[edit]

The server images.uesp.net, where images are hosted, is awfully slow at times. Right now every image takes like 8 seconds to start downloading, and then a lot more to actually download. Tried this from different ISPs. --78.30.10.162 12:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

There was a temporary issue on files1 for a few reasons including the RAID being checked/rebuilt and backup scripts piling up adding to the IO wait time. A bunch of changes were made to prevent this from occurring again or at least minimize the impact. -- Daveh (talk) 14:49, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Block Needed[edit]

Spambot: Special:Contributions/13.90.142.160

--Rook (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Done. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:54, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Page in Arabic[edit]

Hi there, Below is the Arabic version of the UESP logo (By:Saleh) which would be great for a new UESP in Arabic website.

UESP Logo Arabic.png

We are a small expanding group willing to translate The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Page to Arabic.

We initially wanted to translate a large portion before submitting a post, But it came to our knowledge that it would be best to do it now.
Me MajidAlammari (talk) and 1Septim and four other translators (Saleh, Mohammed, Rasheed, Sa'aad) would love to know what to do next.

Kind regards, -Majid

I can setup a new translation wiki this week and get you started for editing! -- Daveh (talk) 14:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
[Thank you so much Dave! You honor us!, As I am sure you know, Arabic is written from Right to Left which obviously requires the template to be different, I can say that I am certain that you already have this in mind but the possibility that we may be required somewhat advanced coding skills seems quite intimidating for us all] Majid 15:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
So I've setup the new Arabic UESPWiki at https://ar.uesp.net . I've made MajidAlammari the admin for that wiki and have added 1Septim as an editor. Anyone else that wants to edit that translation can make a wiki account and MajidAlammari can give them the "Translator" permission. There's probably a lot of special work to get the Arabic version working correctly but just let me know if you need help with anything. I've imported the current revision of all MediaWiki and Template pages but there's nothing else there at the moment. -- Daveh (talk) 20:23, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
[Greetings Dave, Thank you for this kind service and we will work hard to complete our project.] — Unsigned comment by 1Septim (talkcontribs) at 05:28 on 6 February 2019‎
[This looks great Dave! Thank you!, We sure all are excited to get work! also is it possible to change the logo to the Arabic version? I made a change to the dimensions of the image above to 400x400, or should it be uploaded separately?] -- Majid 06:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
I've updated the Arabic site to use that logo although it will need to be reuploaded to 165x159 pixels in size. If you want to keep a higher resolution logo you can upload a new image. -- Daveh (talk) 15:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Dave, Hope you are doing well! I have updated the image dimensions to as you said above, If you may update it now it would look proportionate. And here is an update about the wiki, We decided to start working in this order, starting with Morrowind after it Oblivion > Skyrim > Daggerfall > Arena > Online, And about the other titles we still haven't decided yet. Here is also a work-in-progress example of what a main page would look like Morrowind and also a lore book 36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon one, If you checked one of the pages you can see that the tables/boxes are in the way of things and should be moved to the left on every page, It would be great if you directed me to a method that could help with this issue and also a way to translate the "developer/Release Date/etc..." because I tried and the cell line disappears, lastly if you can please point out how to edit the list under sections so I can translate it?. Thank you so much, Dave, for enabling us this opportunity to be a part of the UESP, Please let us know if you have any advice, Have a great evening. --Majid (talk) 22:11, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Will try to answer all your questions:
Great work and if you need more help just let us know! -- Daveh (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Dave, Everything looks much better now!, except the logo which I found out I can't actually change myself, I already updated the dimensions to 165x159 of the logo above as you said, So you could help us set it up. I also found out that I could import pages with the templates which is way better than a simple copy and paste, Unfortunately, I find it inefficient but also convenient since we won't have anything missing whilst editing. Is there perhaps a better method to importing pages rather than manually typing everything in? I hope we aren't causing any inconvenience to you, Dave, We really are passionate about this project, I hope you have a great afternoon. --Majid (talk) 19:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

() You should be able to change the logo...just upload a new image to the same image as linked above. Does that not work? I've already imported all Templates to ar.uesp.net so you shouldn't need to re-import them (I believe it won't let you overwrite an existing template). I assume you're aware of the https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Export and https://ar.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Import pages? You can list multiple pages to export although large groups may crash the importer so keep to smaller chunks and verify with RecentChanges exactly what you've successfully imported. --

That was my original assumption but it did not work, Somehow. And Yes, I am aware, But it turns out I was wrong about missing templates. Also I am sure you are aware of the new #uesp_ar channel that Alpha_Kenny_Buddy already set up for us, Dave, I and my group will ask for help there. Thank you so much for your help Dave :). --Majid (talk) 01:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Slight problem with inter-wiki links. Unlike e.g. pt:User:Legoless, ar:User:Legoless actually creates a redlink to the Arena namespace rather than adding a link to the sidebar. —Legoless (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
I just looked into it and there's really no nice way around that issue. The only viable solution I can see is to change Arena's namespace shortcut to something different (or remove it altogether). Either way, we have to track down all existing links using the shortcut and change them. Links themselves should be doable by bot. (Note: HnB can't do it, but HoodBot and CyrusBot should both be able to manage it using something like this to find all pages linking to Arena space, then checking all links on each page to see if any are [[AR:...]] links.) Getting users used to a new prefix is another issue.🤔 Also, there's the question of what to do about the existing files and categories with "AR" prefixes. Renaming all of those would be a fairly large job. Technically speaking, most of the alternatives we might choose are also used by other languages, though I don't think we need to worry too much about having UESP in Aragonese (AN) or Araucanian (ARN), so those might be viable options.
Checking over the rest of our namespaces, we also have conflicts with some other languages, though none of them seem likely to become issues (the most common is probably Turkish). Here's the full list of language vs. namespace conflicts: BM = Bambara, BS = Bosnian, LG = Ganda, LO = Laotian, OM = Oromo, SH = Serbocroatian, SI = Sinhalese, SK = Slovak, SR = Serbian, TR = Turkish. So, despite the conflicts, I don't see any reason to change any of those namespace shortcuts. Robin Hood  (talk) 04:52, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm in favor of either removing the shortcut altogether (but leaving files under the AR name) or switching to AN (despite the confusion with Administrator Noticeboard). Neither option is very appealing, but it looks like we have to choose. —Dillonn241 (talk) 06:51, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Update: I converted nearly all of the AR: shortcuts on the wiki to Arena:. I'm leaning toward just removing the shortcut, since a lot of times we end up changing them to the full link anyway and moving all of the files to match seems like a lot of work for one letter change. —Dillonn241 (talk) 07:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
After some discussion in Discord, and with Cyrus and HnB having replaced all the existing AR links, I went ahead and removed AR as a namespace shortcut (including "AR talk", which was totally unused anyway). Any future links to AR will result in language links in the sidebar, as you can see on User:RobinHood70/Lamed. We can keep an eye on any accidental attempts to use AR shortcuts by monitoring this page, at least until there are so many legitimate language links that that becomes impractical. :)
For those that may want Arena shortcuts in the future, the {{AR}} template is still available. If there's strong desire to do so, we can always add AN or ARN or what have you at a later time, though contrary to my original message, I don't think there's any pressing reason to do so right now. Even if we do, it wouldn't necessarily require that we update all AR uses in files and templates, though to avoid confusion, it would probably be best. We can burn that bridge if we ever come to it, though. Robin Hood  (talk) 20:09, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I am sorry this has caused you inconvenience guys, Your work is immensely appreciated :). --Majid (talk) 01:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
No problem! It's better we figure out these issues now rather than after the Arabic wiki is well-developed and you're trying to make a whole lot of language links! Robin Hood  (talk) 20:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Block Needed[edit]

Spambot: User:Duziak--Rook (talk) 17:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Done. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:30, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

ESO Wrathstone Release[edit]

Wrathstone (update 21) is out today so here's the usual update.

  • uespLog -- Updated to v1.80.
  • Files -- Done!
  • Skills -- Updated!
  • Skill Coefficients -- Updated!
  • CPs -- Updated!
  • Items -- In progress...
  • Maps -- Done!
  • Icons -- Done!
  • Achievements -- Done!
  • Collectibles -- Done!
  • Quest Data -- Done!
  • Book Data -- Done!
  • Recipe Data -- Done!
  • API -- Done!

-- Daveh (talk) 17:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

MediaWiki Upgrade to v1.25[edit]

I've copied the wiki to https://dev.uesp.net/ and upgraded it to 1.25 for testing and preparation of upgrading the live wiki sometime in the future. Haven't done much testing yet but so far only a few minor things needed fixing and haven't seen anything big in the MW release notes. My notes for the upgrade can be found at User:Daveh/Wiki_Upgrade_1.25. Note that while the wiki and images are copies other things the wiki may links to are not copies (thinking specifically of the ESO Character/Build data).

Anyone know if we are using any functions in the DynamicFunctions extension? It is no longer maintained and I would like to remove it or move its functionality to MetaTemplate/UespCustomCode. -- Daveh (talk) 13:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I've never seen any of those functions in use, though you or RobinHood would have to do a database search to be sure. My bet is they are not used. #rand looks somewhat useful, the others not so much. I'd like to see them kept through our custom extensions though. —Dillonn241 (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I searched through all wiki text and found that we use everything except #ip (which is good as that may be a security concern). For the upgrade I'll move these over to one of our own extensions and remove DynamicFunctions. -- Daveh (talk) 16:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I actually commented on this on the talk page for the upgrade. Depending how you did your search, you may have found old revisions of pages. I'm not aware of anything currently using #skin or #rand, but I could be wrong. The search for current revisions only is fairly taxing on our database servers, so I limited it to namespaces where I thought usage was likely. I think the only thing in current use is #args, but only on my and the bots' user pages. It's a nice-to-have, since it provide the bots' log filtering options, but not critical. If you feel like moving it over to one of our extensions, that's probably the ideal solution, but if it goes away completely, that's fine too. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Moved the 3 features from DynamicFunctions to MetaTemplates was little work. So far I haven't encountered any major issue on the dev wiki for this update. Barring finding anything I'd like to do the live update early next week. -- Daveh (talk) 16:17, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


() Upgrade Scheduled for March 21st -- I plan to do the upgrade this Thursday morning EST. There should be no downtime or read-only time unless something goes wrong. Check here for updates exactly when it is started/finished. -- Daveh (talk) 14:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Upgrade is starting soon with updates being posted below.
  • Started Updated -- Daveh (talk) 13:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Version Live -- Daveh (talk) 14:04, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Database Updated -- Daveh (talk) Daveh (talk) 14:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Done -- Everything looks good so far but let me know of the usual bugs/issues that you see that may be update related. -- Daveh (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm getting an Error 500 when trying to use Show preview on a new page of any significant length. Doesn't seem to happen if previewing an already-created article. —Legoless (talk) 19:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I was hoping this upgrade might fix the broken Vector skin, but it didn't. So I would just like to re-raise that as an ongoing issue. --Enodoc (talk) 23:16, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@Legoless: I can't seem to replicate that. I tried copying AN/Archive 39 (which is pretty large) to a few new pages in different namespaces, and everything was fine. I'm pretty sure we've had similar issues during previous upgrades and they just resolved over time. Is it still doing it for you?
@Enodoc: Despite appearances, Monobook is also technically broken, in that they rewrote a huge chunk of it for 1.25, which includes compatibility with the new page indicators feature. We're still using the old code, which doesn't support any of the new stuff, and I believe is now deprecated. So, that's gonna be today's task for me is to look at that. Once that's done, I'll switch over to Vector and see if I can get that working as well. I was aware it was broken previously, but I have no idea what was wrong with it. If it's something simple, like a typo or a minor incompatibility, it might be a quick fix...or, it might not if it's a complex issue or upgrading the code is more difficult than I think it should be. You'll know when I know! :) (Quick update: had a look at Monobook...it's not just a quick fix, and I wanna do it "the right way" this time, if it's possible, so it's not so much work in the future. Ran into a bit of a snag which has stopped me cold for the moment, since I need Dave to do something. Will come back to this tomorrow.) Robin Hood  (talk) 02:18, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
You might need a hard refresh, but Monobook is now upgraded to be compatible with 1.25, which means we now have page indicators (see my sandbox). Because they're a bit less flexible than {{Page Icon}}, and probably different parameters will be wanted in some cases (to control sorting when there's more than one), I'll create a new template just for indicators and we can slowly switch the common/easily-converted ones over, then see what's left. Vector will take priority over that, though, while I'm still in the mindset of skinning. Robin Hood  (talk) 10:55, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
UESP Vector is available and working once again! Robin Hood  (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Can confirm. Thanks! --Enodoc (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding Twitch and Clothing Shop to Sidebar[edit]

UESP's Twitch has been slowly growing quietly on its own, to the point that I think it's appropriate to add to the sidebar. Alongside that, I think it'd be a good idea to add the clothing shop to it, to let people know where they can get their UESP digs at. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 13:06, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Twitch definitely (and with an icon). I'd like to see Daveh's opinion on the shop before I form an opinion; there is money involved so it's unlike all the other links.
Since we're changing the community section, I also want to do something about the Chatroom link, which I tried to change before without luck. I wanted it as an (info) link after Discord but the code doesn't support two links. Instead, I propose this order:
  • Community Portal
  • Forums
  • Blog
  • Chatroom
  • (icon) Discord
  • (icon) Facebook
  • (icon) Tumblr
  • (icon) Twitch
  • (icon) Twitter
  • Merchandise
  • Contact Us
  • Links
Chatroom is moved up next to the Discord link. You'll also notice I moved Contact Us down next to links. It's not all that useful of a page, mainly serving as a help guide for how to email other users, with redirects to the Administrator Noticeboard and Community Portal as well. I'm hesitant to remove it entirely, but replacing it with Administrator Noticeboard and having that next to Community Portal is an option to consider.
Merchandise could be changed to Shop or Clothing Shop, but Merchandise sounds best in my opinion for what it is. —Dillonn241 (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Bulk Delete Unused LG-audio files[edit]

Ilaro suggested a bot job in Discord earlier today to delete all files starting with LG-audio in our unused files list. There are just shy of 1100 of them! The reason there are so many that are unused is because they're either duplicates (due largely to the change in developers) or because they're simply things we don't need to keep on the wiki, like grunts, moans, and so forth. Obviously, 1100 files is rather a lot for a human to delete. None of our bots are admin bots, though. This leaves us with two options:

  1. Temporarily give bots deletion permissions, and delete all 1100 files that way.
  2. There's a maintenance script to bulk delete pages.

As far as I know, we've never deleted pages the second way before, so I wanted to give people an opportunity to decide which option they're more comfortable with, or if there's even some reason to keep the pages that Ilaro and I haven't thought of. Just so we all have a frame of reference, I ran the script on the first 10 pages, so everyone can see how it appears in Recent Changes and on the pages themselves. Specifically, the deletions won't be attributed to a specific user, but instead to "Delete page script", and it will go very, very fast! If people are comfortable with that, I'll go ahead with the remainder; otherwise, I can design a bot job to do it, or keep them, or whatever is preferred. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Your bot seems like the best idea for it. Any bot could do it, but administrators are the ones who delete files and you're the administrator with a bot. It seems like the best idea to leave the task up to you and have you responsible and accountable for any mistakes, in the event that they happen, since an administration task will be performed. A bot might do it slower than a bulk script, but at the same time, I assume even a delete can be hidden from the Recent Changes page by the fact that it's a bot making the edit (though I don't know for sure as I don't have a bot, so do correct me if I'm wrong), and any users who want to work the Recent Changes page won't have 1100 deletes in a row to see. On the assumption that a bot can have its logged tasks like deletes hidden as a "bot edit". If not, it really doesn't make a difference one way or the other, I suppose. -damon  talkcontribs 18:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't think deletions do get hidden, even if they're done by a bot, but I'd have to double-check on a test wiki to be sure. I'll get back to you on that. (Update: they do indeed get hidden, which makes a fairly compelling argument to do it by bot.)
Also, contrary to what I said above, I just noticed that the script does have the option to attribute deletions to a specific user, so I would attribute them all to me if we go with the script. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:13, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Just for clarity, I added all unused audio files that still might be interesting in a sandbox so that they are not in the Unused files page anymore and will not get deleted. I also still have all old files saved, so in the unlikely scenario that one or two of them are still needed somewhere, I can easily reupload them. --Ilaro (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
If the deletions can all be hidden, then I'm in favor of keeping the RC clean for patrollers and any other users who may want to be there, since the script had its edits shown and there will be a large number of them. And, as I said, I'd prefer that you handle it personally, Rob, since I think an administrator should be in charge of handling the deletions for accountability, since it's an automated task to do administrative maintenance edits. -damon  talkcontribs 18:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay, bot job is tested and ready to go. I'll leave this notice up for a full week before I actually run the job, though, since it's effectively a Proposed Deletion tag for 1100 files. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:13, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Job is now done. Robin Hood  (talk) 15:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Patrollers' Access to MediaWiki Space[edit]

Many, many years ago, our admin team was lacking in technically skilled people, while there were three patrollers who all had significant knowledge of MediaWiki, so the decision was made to allow patrollers to edit MediaWiki space. That has changed, however, and there are now a few admins who regularly edit MediaWiki space as needed. While some current patrollers have put these rights to good use, there's the concern that even an innocent mistake could cause significant disruption to the wiki. So, I'd like to suggest that we revert that change at this point, and once again make MediaWiki space admin-only. How do people feel about this? Robin Hood  (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I support this idea. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 13:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't see the change of circumstance. In the last 30 days, there have been 17 edits in mediawiki space, all but 3 made by Robin. The other 3 were by Ilaro. AKB, you've made a total of 11 edits there in your entire time on the wiki (the edits covering 6 years), your last being last October. Legoless made two edits two years ago, and 10 in total, over 5 years. Dwarfmp made 2 edits in 2012. TRL has made quite a few but only 2 in the last 5 years. Dillon has made 12 edits over '17 and '18, the last last November. Jeancey has never made an edit there. Daveh has made quite a few, the last in December, though I would except him from the count. As a comparison, I have 9 edits to the space. There doesn't appear to be any increase in editing the space, certainly not by admins, and I think this would be a detrimental change considering the number of technically-minded (nevermind actual) admins has not changed by any significant degree to warrant removing the pool of 13 active or semi-active patrollers (from the 56 total patrollers). Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
It's not so much a change of circumstance as just a realization that we don't have a significant need for patrollers to have access to MediaWiki space at this point. While all the edits by Ilaro and other patrollers have been fine, by reducing access to admins only, we limit the opportunities for mistakes or, in the worst case, rogue staff. The number of technically minded admins when we gave patrollers the ability to edit MediaWiki space was zero (depending where you draw the line, of course), where there were three technically minded patrollers (Alfwyn, Jak, and myself). Now, there are two admins that I'm aware of who are programmers, and I think most other admins have varying degrees of comfort in the space as well at this point. So, from that perspective, there's been a fairly significant shift. Coming at it from another direction, there are exactly two active patrollers who have made changes in MediaWiki space. One was Alarra, who made changes to the sidebar; the other was Ilaro's to the site CSS. Both of these were certainly desirable changes, but they weren't urgent, and could easily have waited on an admin to make them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to patrollers having permissions in MediaWiki space, but the default is for only admins to have access, and given what could be changed, I think there's a good reason for that. Robin Hood  (talk) 20:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
With so little feedback on the issue, I'm not comfortable making a decision either way, so status quo prevails for the time being. Ilaro seems to be making good use of the privileges at the moment in any event. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 15:12, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
A little late, sorry. I agree with Silencer on this issue though. Unless we start having problems with bad edits from patrollers, there isn't really a need to take away rights that have been there for years. I have a feeling most patrollers who are even aware that namespace exists and that they can edit it know what they are doing or would ask if a change they were making was correct. Mistakes are easy enough to revert. —Dillonn241 (talk) 02:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Request for UESP email[edit]

This may be the wrong place to post, but AKB suggested this as the best place.

I've been working on the UESP Podcast for the past few months now and I'm working on branching it out into other services. I would feel much more comfortable with signing up for things (like Youtube access, and other Podcasting services) using an account that if anything were to happen to myself, the account could be recovered without me.

As well, requests for interviews and such often work easier coming from an official account versus a random gmail.

Please let me know if this is the best place for this kind of request or not.

Thank you,

--Pylawn (talk) 01:12, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Done! -- Daveh (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

ESO Elsweyr PTS Release (Update 22)[edit]

Elsweyr (update 22) is out yesterday on PTS so here's the usual update. Remember that there is an NDA on the main quest.

  • uespLog -- The current release (v1.80) should work for most functions (item mining is slightly broken).
  • Files -- Done!
  • CPs -- Done!
  • Skills -- Done!
  • Skill Coefficients -- Done!
  • Items -- Done!
  • Maps -- Done!
  • Icons -- Done! (re-updated on 26 April)
  • Achievements --
  • Collectibles --
  • Alchemy -- Updated! (still doesn't have the correct name/icon for the new potions but the potion effect is updated)

-- Daveh (talk) 12:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey Dave, the link to the Files keeps erroring out for me. I'm logged in on the wiki, and I can't get to it from any browser. Is it supposed to be locked in some way e.g. wiki staff only? Or is the link incorrect? Thanks!
I have a few people on my Guildmaster Discord who would like the icon for the Necromancer class. (I see all the class Skill icons on the Skill Browser, but not the icon for the class itself.)
--baratron (talk) 18:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
The ESO files doesn't require any login, cookie or anything special. Double-checked it now and it is working fine for me now in Chrome and Firefox. If it still doesn't work for you let me know. -- Daveh (talk) 18:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
It's fine now. The link was incorrect. It didn't have the "pts" after it originally. --baratron (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Did spliticons, icons, and icons.diff all get updated today? I'm not seeing new versions in the files, they still all say updated Apr 15 Jeancey (talk) 19:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't usually update the files for each PTS patch after the first one. The "icons" section above actually refers to the icons available from esoicons.uesp.net and used by all the various browsers. If you need the updated icon file downloads, however, I can get them for you. -- Daveh (talk) 17:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Map Updates[edit]

Google has decided to start charging for using their map API even though we don't use any of their map images or features. Right now we're looking at monthly charges over $500 USD which means I'd like to change all the old maps (pre-ESO) to use the newer ESO map code which I wrote from scratch and seems to be working fine for the ESO maps. It should just be a "simple" matter of tweaking the ESO map code to support different game spaces and then exporting the old map databases to new ones. Other than a slight change in UI most users shouldn't notice anything.

I've also made a performance change to the ESO map code which hopefully makes panning/zooming a little smoother. If you run into display issues it let me know. When the updated old maps are ready for testing I'll post updates here. -- Daveh (talk) 17:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


Update: The first release of the old maps in the newer map system is now available for testing:

Some comments and notes on the new maps:

  • Bugs/Performance -- The new maps should be working well. There is still an issue with the map images becoming offset to the locations sometimes. Zooming in/out does not display as well as the old maps but I am working on improving this as much as I can.
  • Search -- Results in the new maps display/work a little differently than the old maps. I'm thinking of keeping more of the old system of display/zooming/moving to a search link.
  • Mobile -- Still needs work/testing to make sure it works well in mobile devices.
  • Links -- The map links to the article and discussion for the map design. If there's a better page for people to request help for the maps let me know.
  • Icons -- Noticed that a few icons are reused for multiple types of locations. If more icons are needed let me know.
  • Edit Permissions -- Edit permissions currently use the ESO map edit permissions for all maps. We can either keep a single edit permission or seperate out by game or by new/old like currently done. I am thinking of a single map edit group/permission unless otherwise requested.
Got the first bill from Google for June, $1300 USD for 200k map views. This is rather ridiculous so I'd like the change to the new maps to happen by the end of the month (we have free credit until the end of June). As long as the major bugs/issues are taken care of by then I can work on the rest of the minor issues/features later on. So feel free to give any map feature requests along with comments and bug reports. -- Daveh (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2019 (UTC)


List of bugs/suggestions for my reference:
  • Pinch to Zoom -- Done! Seems to work ok but due to lack of zooming animation feels a little clunky.
  • Tapping +/- on Mobile Jumps 2 Zooms -- Fixed!
  • Locations/Images Offset -- Seems to occur more frequently on mobile (but not mobile testing in Chrome).
  • Zoom In/Out Animations --
  • Slow with Many Locations --
  • Images Not Loading Right Away --
  • Hitting Night/Day When Zoomed In Not Updating All Images --
  • Use Mouse Move Cursor -- On mousedown (or mousedown+mouse move), change the cursor to the move cursor.
  • Add Interior Maps --
Note that a full page reload or cache reset may need to be done to see these updates (until I force update the Javascript version in each page). -- Daveh (talk) 17:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Flooding issue
I reviewed the bug reports that were submitted, and besides the currently listed ones, there is "flooding on the Skyrim map", as depicted in the included image when I examined the same area.
A user claimed the location/image offset issue happens on mobile when you use hand gestures to move the map, instead of the button controls. I can't replicate though. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 16:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The flood is also present on the old map (link), I assume it's faulty cell image rather than a code bug
I can confirm the image offset issue in mobile (it's the map images that move, and not the location markers) -- SarthesArai Talk 15:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

() Map Update is Live -- 27 June 2019 I switched all maps to use our code in order to prevent us from being charged for any Google maps usage in July (its free until end of June). I reverted some of the recent performance changes that were causing map layer mismatches on mobile and sometimes desktop. This also disables the cell grid and cell resources in the Skyrim map.

Map edit permissions will shortly be linked to the "Cartographer". If we need seperate groups for each map let me know. I'll be disabling the old map edit page shortly as well.

I'll be continuing to work on the map improvements over the next month. I did find Leaflet which looks to be a good open source map code and does everything we need. Will consider if migrating to this would be a better option (would probably be less work to migrate and fix most/all of the recent issues/suggestions). -- Daveh (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Skyrim map not working when open https://srmap.uesp.net/ and then zoom to refugees rest - does not show map images on eastern tiles — Unsigned comment by 107.134.178.81 (talk) at 03:52 on 28 June 2019
I did some testing, and the "image not loading right away" issue seems to be partially tied to screen resolution. I can reliably recreate this issue on higher screen resolutions. Standard 1080P doesn't have any issue, but bumping it up higher than that and I every time part of the map won't load until I focus on it. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 04:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Username Change[edit]

Hello, I'd like to change my wiki username to Varchu in place of my current name if I may. Thanks -- Deqath (talk) 06:24, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Done. For future reference, with only one edit apart from this one, the usual recommendation is to just create a new account and abandon the old one. Robin Hood  (talk) 14:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

ESO Elsweyr Early Release (Update 22)[edit]

Elsweyr (update 22) is out today for early release so here's the usual update.

  • uespLog -- Updated to v1.90.
  • Files -- Done!
  • Skills -- Done!
  • Skill Coefficients -- Done!
  • CPs -- Done!
  • Items -- Done!
  • Maps -- Done!
  • Icons -- Done!
  • Achievements -- Done!
  • Collectibles -- Done!
  • Quest Data -- Done!
  • Book Data -- Done!
  • Recipe Data -- Done!
  • API -- Done!

-- Daveh (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Would you be willing to run a diff against the PTS vs Live, in addition to the diff from v21 to v22? Jeancey (talk) 16:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I do the ...ptsdiff.txt files but can include a ZIP of the files as well. -- Daveh (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Great, thanks! Sometimes trying to figure out if there are minor changes in icons and maps is hard without that! We all appreciate the effort you put into this every release! :) Jeancey (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

CheckUser Rights for Administrators[edit]

First, an explanation for those who aren't familiar: CheckUser rights include the right to view a named user's IP address and to run some basic cross-checks to see if users are using more than one account.

In the very early days, CheckUser and administrative rights were kept separate, as they are on Wikipedia. Initially, only Dave, Aristeo, and Nephele had CheckUser rights and that was just the way things were and nobody worried about it. I think the thinking was that only the most trusted admins should have those rights. Again, this resembled Wikipedia's stance, though it should be noted that admins are a dime a dozen on Wikipedia...not so much here. Back in November 2007, CheckUser rights were given to most or all active admins. I don't see any discussion about it, but I suspect this was to broaden the pool of people who could verify when someone was up to something inappropriate, as there had just been an incident a week or so prior. It also avoids having the situation of admins who are "more equal" than other admins. Since that time, it looks like nearly all admins have been given CheckUser rights the moment they were promoted, but occasionally not. In some cases, this was due to them being temporary admins who were later promoted to full admins, but there have been other cases where I suspect the lack of rights was just an oversight.

It was proposed on Discord earlier that we simply roll CheckUser rights into adminship, so they're given automatically upon promotion. In terms of server administration, this is quite easy to do. It would have the advantage of making sure those rights aren't forgotten in the future, but the potential disadvantage that if we want to have temporary admins again in the future, they'll also get those rights (unless we do additional fiddling with the rights). Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Robin Hood  (talk) 19:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Considering there hasn't been an incident (at least so far as I'm aware of) where CheckUser has been abused and considering that there are valid applications for it being used like when a matter arises -- ex. sock-puppetry is an issue we've had a few problems with in the past, or if there's reason to suspect something like a ban might be possibly being evaded by a different account (or maybe in a setting where many users could potentially be on the same network (like a college since many gamers are college/university aged) -- and you want to attempt to see (with probable cause) who may likely be a unique user, then I see no reason with letting it come standard with adminship. Besides, we're so much bigger now that in the event something unforseen were to arise where it could be abused, I'd rather have a large pool of admins who can corroborate on the issue instead of it being limited to a small few number.
I'm not saying you would ever dream of it, but as an example, let's say only you could do it and you held a grudge against me for whatever stupid reason you can think of for the example. You could say I created some random doppleganger account and was actively using it alongside my Damon account at this very moment. If only you could do it, then if I went to Jeancy or Legoless and said you were lying, they couldn't cross-check and provide a second opinion of their own and your word as the only one to do it has to be accepted as de facto truth, yeah?
Basically, what I'm getting at is there are practical (but rarer these days compared to older days) reasons where an admin could use that information to handle day to day issues and it won't hurt as a matter of convenience since our current admin staff is trustworthy, and on an accountability and transparency basis I believe letting a larger pool be able to use it to keep each other accountable isn't a bad thing either. -damon  talkcontribs 00:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay, all admins should now have CheckUser rights. This makes the "Check user" role itself redundant for admins, though at least for now, it still exists. Robin Hood  (talk) 15:55, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Block Needed (2)[edit]

37.233.102.106. Spam.--Rook (talk) 13:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Tab Extension[edit]

I previously brought up this topic, but at that time we didn't have the right Mediawiki and PHP versions. However, besides the site upgrade, I found a similar extension that seems the be more versatile, better documented, and was still recently updated. Although I'm not sure how compatible it is with mobile devices, the other one is definitely not. I'm mostly interested in this extension, as it allows for better presentation of images in infoboxes. Any thoughts, additions, or objections? --Ilaro (talk) 09:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

That certainly seems straight-forward enough in terms of installation, and it looks incredibly easy to use. As you say, I can see that being put to use for some of our infoboxes. Robin Hood  (talk) 03:31, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
This looks like a useful feature to have for some pages. I can't tell how well it will fit with the rest of the site based on the docs, but it's worth a try. —Dillonn241 (talk) 17:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

ESO Scalecaller PTS Release[edit]

Scalecaller (update 23) is now out on the ESO PTS server:

  • uespLog -- Seems to work but haven't fully tested it yet.
  • File Uploads -- Done!
  • Champion Points -- [Done!]
  • Skills -- [Done!]
  • Skill Coefficients -- Done (not checked yet)!
  • Items -- Done!
  • Icons -- Uploaded!
  • Maps -- Updated (new locations not yet added)

Note that I'm off on vacation starting tomorrow so it will be a few weeks before I'm back and can update/fix any omissions. -- Daveh (talk) 14:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Block Request[edit]

Hi, I discovered today that I have an older account - User:Spark01 - that I completely forgot about. When creating my current one I did not realize I already had one, and thus I would like to request that my old account be banned. I haven't found anything in the rules about multiple accounts but I'm putting this out here now to avoid any future problems, should someone else discover my mistake. ElectricVersion (talk)

This is no issue per WP:CLEANSTART, so you don't have to worry. I don't even really see the need to ban the older almost unused and inaccessible account. Just start editing with your new account and leave the other to collect dust. --Ilaro (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)