Skyrim talk:Hearthfire Houses Material List

Found an Error

The column for straw is wrong. The minimum amount of straw needed to completely furnish a house is eight pieces, and a number of rows say six.

Main Hall: 2 double bed, 1 single bed * 2

Cellar: 2 archery target, 2 child's practice dummy

104.15.180.18 11:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

You are right, and now the table is too, thank you. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 12:33, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the update, but I don't think that the table is correct just yet. If I'm understanding the article correctly, the table is supposed to give the amounts needed to build and fully furnish a house, to include the mill, fish hatchery, AND apiary - even though only one of those three external add-ons is available at a specific site. The text at the bottom of the table says that 2 straws should be removed if you're building at Heljarchen Hall or Windstad Manor. That's supposed to be the two straws that aren't needed for the apiary that isn't built at those sites. So the minimum amount for straw as listed in the table should actually be 10. And I'm wondering whether the other rows had the same errors and also should be increased by the same amounts.

I'm also questioning the amounts given for goat horns. I just built Windstad Manor with the Library, Alchemy Laboratory, and Enchanter's Tower. I need 7 more goat horns to finish furnishing the Alchemy lab and another 7 to finish furnishing the Library. That's 14 more goat horns that I need just for two of the towers. The table says that only 17 are required for the whole house, but 17 - 14 = 3. I know I used more than three goat horns furnishing the rest of the house. The cellar by itself requires more than three! In fact, according to my own notes, it takes 14 goat horns to furnish the entryway, the main hall, and the cellar, and it takes 15 more goat horns for the three tower wings.

Because straw, glass, and goat horns are the items that seem to be hardest to find, that's the place where errors are probably most likely to be spotted, so if there are errors in those columns, I admit that I don't have a tremendous amount of confidence in the rest of the table either.104.15.180.18 02:34, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

The table should not include the apiary, fishery, or mill, as these are the unique parts that would require multiple additions to the table; I don't know how the numbers are so bad though. I will fix those and mark the page as suspect, as the page has received no attention since the only substantial contributor made the page on the only day they were active. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 14:00, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Let's Fix This Table

I am prepping a save to use in confirming/fixing this table. In this save, I have purchased all three plots of land but done no building of any kind. I have exactly 1,000 Sawn Logs (including the 20 per property purchases). I am buying Glass, Goat Horns, and Straw. I have two Grand Soul Gems with Grand Souls in them. I have hundreds of Iron Ore. I am going to go hunting to collect a few more Large Antlers and a few more Sabre Cat Teeth, and then I should have everything I need and more for building any of these configurations. Once I have all the necessary materials collected, I will forge building materials and load up with even amounts of everything, drag it all to the stables, and save next to my horse. Then I can go to any building site, build any configuration needed, check to see how much of the materials got used, and reload to test the next configuration. But before I begin, I want to know what criteria I should be meeting.

1. Should I build all of the external add-ons except the unique features, even if not every location has the same external add-ons? Or should I only include external add-ons if they can be built at all three sites? Or should I leave out the external add-ons entirely? BTW, in case there's any confusion, by external add-ons, I mean things like the Stables, Garden, Animal Pen, Tanning Rack, Forge, Apiary, Mill, etc. Stuff that is built at the outside Carpenter's Workbench that is not part of the Starter Home or the Main Hall.. I am counting anything that is built through a Workbench inside the house as being part of that room's furnishings and not an external add-on, even if the item in question is placed outside the house (such as on a rooftop) and is in a category labelled External.
2. Should I do separate tables for houses with Cellars and houses without Cellars?
3. Should I leave out items that are listed in the Workbenches but don't actually get built?

104.15.180.18 22:06, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

The table is supposed to show the materials needed for a fully constructed and furnished house, so that means everything outside, the small house/entryway, the main hall, and the cellar. The only exceptions, as listed in the notes are the unique features of each house (the apiary, the mill, and the fishery), and the shrines in the cellar, but include the shrine's base. Basically each shrine has two unique items which would extend the table by around 15 columns, and including the unique external features would require triplicating the table. There is also the coffin that only appears if you are currently a vampire, that should probably be excluded but can be constructed in every house. I am not aware of any other unique features, but if there are they should be excluded and listed in the notes. For those items that apparently do not appear, add them, because they are bugged and open to fixes. There is one other consideration, furnishing the small house, or waiting for the main hall before making all the options. By the small house article, two construction items are "lost" ie a waste of materials, and one other is not available to build after remodeling. If we want "fully furnished" then we should probably include everything there except the two items that are not retained, and a note placed on the page to explain this discrepancy. Keep extensive notes on what you use, it is likely to get rather complicated once you start adding them all together. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:30, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

I noticed that there is no column for Small Antlers, and rather than widen the table further, I wonder if it would be better to put the materials for taxidermy wall decorations into a separate table. I get the impression that a number of people who otherwise want their Hearthfire homes fully furnished don't care about the taxidermy. It would mean having a column for Leather Strips in both tables, because Leather Strips get used in the taxidermy, but they also get used in some furnishings, notably the beds. BTW, I finished my hunting and have my test save ready, but it's going to take a while to do all this testing, and I do have real world stuff to take care of, so it may take me a while to finish this project.104.15.180.18 19:53, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

And while I'm at it, maybe I should sort the table. At present, the columns are not sorted by category or alphabetically. I don't know if there is any order at all to their arrangement beyond the order in which the original author needed them for construction. My choices for sorting are: alphabetical, alphabetical within category (Ingredients and Misc), or by my own views on use/functionality.104.15.180.18 20:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Sort it purely alphabetically, and include taxidermy. Any other sorting is open to interpretation, and some items are used in multiple areas (taxidermy, the building, furnishing). Hinges, locks, fittings, and nails can only be constructed, and it would be helpful to include a total of how many iron and corundum ingots are needed separate to the iron ingots already in the table that are used elsewhere. I know I've been frustrated many times during construction to run out of iron when I thought I had enough. We can just list the absolute maximum and then any other choices will require less; a quick glance tells me that 208 might be the maximum for Armory, Storage, Bedroom, and other. In fact we could probably add a final row listing the absolute maximum for each material. Corundum doesn't appear to be used anywhere else in the table, so the total for it is the same as the total number of locks (30 max). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Every column in the table shows the total amounts of the exact components needed to construct items using the Carpenter's Workbenches. I will not complicate the table further by trying to also document what is needed to make those components. I understand the value of knowing the total amount of iron and corundum needed to build a house, but consider the simple case of corundum. It might be true that Locks are the only components made with Corundum Ingots, but if someone has to smelt his own Steel Ingots, he is going to need additional Corundum Ore for that, so the question of how much corundum is required is just not that simple. Iron is even more complicated because Iron Ore is needed to smelt Steel Ingots, Iron Ingots are needed to forge all of the Building Materials, and Iron Ingots themselves are one of the components required to construct some Items using Carpenter's Workbenches. Besides, this table was already too wide and I have to add another column for Small Antlers. If you want me to include information about the total iron and corundum required for building, it has to go in a separate table, and I'm going to organize that second table my own way. When I post the test page, I'll include the second table, and you can tell me if it should be retained. I figure for a complete reorg like this, I should post the new page in the sandbox for review first.

I like your idea of a maximum row. My idea for sorting was not so much by building, furnishing, taxidermy but putting all the ingots together and all the hides together, etc. Plain alphabetical is a better choice, though. It should be immediately apparent to people how things are sorted which will make it quicker and easier for them to find things - which is kinda the whole point. So, yeah, let's sort it your way. Except I think I'm going to put Sawn Logs in the first column. It's a special item that doesn't show up in inventory and can be easy to forget until you run out.

I had to redo my save. I had forged 100 Iron Fittings and ran out before I completed furnishing my test home. And my test building required 36 Locks. I suspect whoever made this table originally didn't include any of the stuff needed to build the Cellar or any of its furnishings because they aren't required for the Achievements/Trophies. That's why there was no column for Small Antlers and the count for Steel Ingots is short the 30 needed to build the two sets of 5 Safes in the Cellar.104.15.180.18 00:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)