Skyrim talk:Shalidor's Insights (book)

can be translated

I think the 1,3,4 paragraph is actually english written in messy italics. I can see the word Alduin world eater in the 4the paragraph talking about dragon. Can anyone help me translate it? Besides I think Shalidor deserve a page for him in Lore. (Vvardfell 06:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC))

Alduin (World Eater): Alduin is the Nordic variation of Akatosh, and only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Nine Divines. For example, Alduin's sobriquet, 'the world eater', comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, ravaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one. Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse. He is not the chief of the Nordic pantheon (in fact, that pantheon has no chief; see Shor, below) but its wellspring, albeit a grim and frightening one.

The first paragraph, if I'm not mistaken. Gotta love Micheal Kirkbride. -- kertaw48 07:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Second paragraph (after the cipher and diagram) is the part of the third section of Five_Songs_of_King_Wulfharth (Old Knocker). Cuts off after "to help his."

I think the first part of the second page (next to the tribal dragon design, before it goes into completely non-English characters) is:

Dragons have existed since the beginning of Time, or some kind of kindred spirits to (crossed out text) ???? is lesser relations to him or his children or parts of him that split off when Time began or ---. In the beginning, dragons were wild and uncivilized like everything else. Alduin was the creator of dragon civilization - the Firstborn and the

Can't make out the first word after the crossed-out text. I haven't found anything that matches up with, yet, so I may be reading it wrong.MuddlingThrough 02:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm seeing slightly different. ''Dragons have existed since the beginning of Time, as some kind of kindred spirits to (crossed out text) -- ???? & lesser relation to him or his children or part of him that split off when Time began or ---. In the beginning, dragons were wild and uncivilized, like everything else. Alduin was the creator of dragon civilization - the Firstborn and the

I think the word after the crossed out text is somewhat like s?t??r. Maybe similar or sister. And when Time began or wh?????r. Could be whatever--not too professional, but it looks like that to me and another individual. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 02:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I've tried multiple google searches on that last paragraph, taking in account that some things written here might be misinterpretations, and found nothing. The last paragraph is original. So, when all of this is refined a bit, should we add a note to the article? -- kertaw48 10:14, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think we could add it as a note, but I would like some more eyes to try figuring out the words. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 17:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Chiming in almost a decade later to note for the record that it's definitely "whatever" and I've edited it in as such—the font has only one glyph per letter so you can zoom in and compare the individual letters to those in other words. The word after the crossed-out text is "either". —SeferZohar (talk) 23:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Note Proposal

(←) Note: The first paragraph is the entry for Alduin found in the book Varieties of Faith in the Empire. The deciphered version of the second paragraph, which is written in the "Mage Font", can be found been at The Imperial Library. The third paragraph is almost three full sentences from the "Old Knocker" song of the Five Songs of King Wulfharth. The fourth paragraph is apparently original text, and says, "Dragons have existed since the beginning of Time, as some kind of kindred spirits to (crossed out text) -- ???? & lesser relation to him or his children or part of him that split off when Time began or ---. In the beginning, dragons were wild and uncivilized, like everything else. Alduin was the creator of dragon civilization - the Firstborn and the". The subsequent paragraphs remain indecipherable at this time.

Any objections to that as a Non-Book note? Does anyone have any more thoughts on this translation? Edit- I also want to add this to the Lore, by the way. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 00:52, 21 October 2012 (GMT)

Seems fine to me. Speaking of Lore, maybe we should move this entire talk page over there, since the article is now practically just a transclusion. -- Kertaw48 (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2012 (GMT)

Translating the Magic Script

Based on the discoveries made on Magic Script Alphabet, I've partially translated the block of characters on the first page. It is as follows:

ALDUIN   A
VA OI A  O
NODICA  DE
AKATOSH  E
S  SUPEOFI
C I  A L  
M E N T  E
BAOEC ES E
COM O  SEU
COLLEGANOS

Clearly the words "Alduin" and "Akatosh" are visible. Not sure what to make of the rest of it, but thought this was worth noting. A large 'H' is seen on the first page, and a smaller 'C' is on the second. TheRealLurlock (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2012 (GMT)

Indeed; all that can found in the TIL link I posted in the note proposal above. It's in Portugese. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 21:38, 21 October 2012 (GMT)

Ah - so the gaps are for accented letters which can't be represented in that font. This should definitely be documented both here and in lore space. Given that it's text that already appears elsewhere (both on the same page in chicken-scratch English and in Five Songs), there's no need to go too crazy, but the sources should be cited. Interesting that we both made this discovery independently on the same day. I really wonder about the Master Illusion Texts now - TIL claims there's nothing in them, but that's not necessarily confirmed. I do think it's possibly significant that the letters 'Q' and 'X' are not found anywhere in those texts, and other uncommon letters such as 'J' and 'Z' are very rare in those texts, so it seems to follow a natural letter frequency distribution that makes me think it's not entirely random. TheRealLurlock (talk) 02:17, 22 October 2012 (GMT)

I was planning on making a lore book page; I'll add the note above when I do. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 02:43, 22 October 2012 (GMT)

External link to Imperial Library vs internal link

At the moment the article has an external link to a forum post at The Imperial Library, but we already have this information internally on the Magic Script Alphabet (Shalidor's Insights) page. Should we not be using an internal link instead? Pharap (talk) 03:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)